Greater Charlotte versus Greater Cleveland (largest, comparison, population, metropolitan)

[drrckmtthws]

Originally Posted by Caesarstl

Are you excluding Cedar Point from Cleveland? Or...?

Not on purpose did a good search, but was at work so my research wasn't thorough but it looks like Cedar Point is a hour away from Cleveland while everything I mentioned is actually in Charlotte.

[jessemh431]

- Location: Cleveland is better situated near many other major cities and is lakefront
- Climate: Subjective. Depends if you like hot summers or cold winters more.
- Topography: Cleveland for being lakefront
- Diversity: Cleveland
- Culinary scene: Cleveland
- Cultural Institutions (museums, botanical gardens, memorials, art galleries, zoos, so on): Cleveland
- Performing Arts (theater, symphony opera, ballet, musical organizations): Cleveland
- Music scene: Cleveland
- Sports scene: Cleveland
- City parks: Not sure
- Nightlife: Cleveland
- Theme parks/Amusement parks: Cleveland
- Educational institutions (both K-12 and higher education - colleges and universities): Cleveland
- Job market and economy: Charlotte
- Cost of living: Cleveland is probably lower, but Charlote is also very low with much better jobs, so I'm going with Charlotte
- Crime and safety: Charlotte
- Architecture: Cleveland
- City neighborhoods: Cleveland
- Area suburbs: Cleveland
- Public transport (inner city rail and commuter rail): Cleveland
- Airports: Charlotte
- Infrastructure (roads, sidewalks, so on): Charlotte probably since it's a newer city
- Downtown vibrancy: Tie
- Structural density: Cleveland

[gladhands]

I can't believe people are giving Charlotte so much credit for location. Cleveland is closer to Detroit, Pittsburgh and Columbus than Charlotte is to any city of note. It's in a coastal state, but it isn't really near the coast or any of the Bos-Wash cities

[jessemh431]

Originally Posted by gladhands

I can't believe people are giving Charlotte so much credit for location. Cleveland is closer to Detroit, Pittsburgh and Columbus than Charlotte is to any city of note. It's in a coastal state, but it isn't really near the coast or any of the Bos-Wash cities

Yeah I actually had to reread when usernameunavailable said it's a tie. Charlotte is has the better location because it's closer to mountains and beaches. Charlotte is around 3.5 hours from beaches. Cleveland is 0.0 hours to beaches. The mountains of western PA aren't that far from Cleveland either.

[WRnative]

I don't know Charlotte well, but nothing suggests to me that Charlotte has a better mass transit system than Cleveland. In fact, Cleveland's system seems much more robust.

Cleveland has a heavy rail rapid line connecting its superb University Circle cultural district, downtown, Market District and airport. Other rail rapids are connected in a downtown hub in Tower City. All of Cleveland's three pro sports venues are served by rail. Cleveland has 37 miles of rail, compared to 9.6 miles of light rail and a 1.5 mile mass transit line in Charlotte.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlo...LYNX_Blue_Line

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greate...nsit_Authority

Cleveland has two long bus rapid systems with dedicated routes and articulated walk-on, walk-off buses.

Downtown Cleveland is served by free downtown bus trolleys that operate on weekends and until 11 p.m. on weekdays.

Cleveland RTA is best transit system in North America | cleveland.com

RTA's HealthLine -- the world-class standard for BRT service | Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority

Curious about bus rapid transit? Check out Cleveland

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-to-cleveland/

Cleveland's mass transit passenger trips are almost double the amount in Charlotte.

[WRnative]

Downtown Cleveland received a massive upgrade in its internet infrastructure as a result of the Republican National Convention this summer.

Cleveland Hooks Up New Internet and Wireless Networks to Prepare for GOP Convention | WKSU

[WRnative]

As for the economy, per capita personal income is about 10 percent higher in the Cleveland MSA than in Charlotte.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CLEV439PCPI

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CHAR737PCPI

[Timothy123]

Location - Charlotte
Climate - Charlotte
Topography - Charlotte
Diversity - Charlotte
Culinary scene - ??
Cultural Institutions (museums, botanical gardens, memorials, art galleries, zoos, so on) - Cleveland
Performing Arts (theater, symphony opera, ballet, musical organizations) - Cleveland
Music scene - Cleveland
Sports scene - Cleveland
City parks - Charlotte
Nightlife - ??
Theme parks/Amusement parks - Charlotte
Educational institutions (both K-12 and higher education - colleges and universities) - Cleveland
Job market and economy - Charlotte
Cost of living - Charlotte
Crime and safety - Charlotte
Architecture - Charlotte (Prefer Charlotte's more modern architecture)
City neighborhoods - Cleveland
Area suburbs - Charlotte
Public transport (inner city rail and commuter rail) - Cleveland
Airports - Charlotte
Infrastructure (roads, sidewalks, so on) - Charlotte
Downtown vibrancy - Tie

[jessemh431]

Originally Posted by Timothy123

Location - Charlotte
Climate - Charlotte
Topography - Charlotte
Diversity - Charlotte
Culinary scene - ??
Cultural Institutions (museums, botanical gardens, memorials, art galleries, zoos, so on) - Cleveland
Performing Arts (theater, symphony opera, ballet, musical organizations) - Cleveland
Music scene - Cleveland
Sports scene - Cleveland
City parks - Charlotte
Nightlife - ??
Theme parks/Amusement parks - Charlotte
Educational institutions (both K-12 and higher education - colleges and universities) - Cleveland
Job market and economy - Charlotte
Cost of living - Charlotte
Crime and safety - Charlotte
Architecture - Charlotte (Prefer Charlotte's more modern architecture)
City neighborhoods - Cleveland
Area suburbs - Charlotte
Public transport (inner city rail and commuter rail) - Cleveland
Airports - Charlotte
Infrastructure (roads, sidewalks, so on) - Charlotte
Downtown vibrancy - Tie

I'm genuinely curious about the bold. Could someone please explain how Charlotte could possibly win in these categories?

Cleveland is much better situated to other major cities. Cleveland IS ACTUALLY LAKEFRONT WITH BEACHES while Charlotte is hours away from the coast. Cleveland has Cedar Point. Cleveland is known as a culinary city (does Charlotte have a rival to the West Side Market?).

[Timothy123]

Originally Posted by jessemh431

I'm genuinely curious about the bold. Could someone please explain how Charlotte could possibly win in these categories?

Cleveland is much better situated to other major cities. Cleveland IS ACTUALLY LAKEFRONT WITH BEACHES while Charlotte is hours away from the coast. Cleveland has Cedar Point. Cleveland is known as a culinary city (does Charlotte have a rival to the West Side Market?).

Hi. I have visited but never eaten in Cleveland so I don't know. I prefer Charlotte's location (though a little bit of a trek to get to) because I prefer the Southeastern beaches and mountain areas. I also think Charlotte's neighborhoods are very nicely landscaped and taken great care of aesthetically. The city has fesh, up-and-coming, can-do feel to it, which I like.

I happen to prefer Charlotte just like most people who do these City-Data (city vs city) polls do, who are mostly die-hard urbanist; Preference. Charlotte is cleaner, newer, prettier, etc, vs. gritty, old, and old-style urban. Doesn't mean that Cleveland is not a nice city though.