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Those photos were all in a small area, which doesn't support your argument.
Bay-to-Pacific is seven miles...looking at a Philly map that's basically to Cobb's Creek in bungalow country.
University Village isn't that big or intense (yet), and the "downtown" part of Center City doesn't really go the whole width...unless you're considering four-story density to be downtown, but then San Francisco can add any amount of equivalent area up to several square miles.
The Philly skyline goes from Delaware River to about 45th Street in West Philly.Thats 4.5 miles. Not quite as wide as the entire city of SF but close.
Here is a shot of center city Philly from 12th to 30th .So there is rougly a mile of extended skyline/downtown not shown to both the east and west of this photo.
I dont think you can argue the linear aspect of downtown Philly in comparison to SF. Its wider and more spread out by a ton.
Old City,East Market, Midtown Village,Rittenhouse,West Market, University City act as a interwoven connected downtown. Again roghly 4.5 miles from E-W. 1.5 Miles N-S
Philly is generally weak on street level activation throughout it's neighborhoods. Yet, nowhere is this more evident than Market Street itself. Obviously it's lack of 'iconic' activation is made up for considerably by Chestnut and Walnut Streets, and to some extent the blocks between Arch and Race Streets (in Chinatown). ...South Street is "max activation," but it needs to expand... Bottom line; the sum total of Philly's dense, prime real estate is several levels below the scale of SF..... Philadelphia still has a 'good ways' to go in terms of improved, 20 hour-a-day walkable neighborhoods. San Francisco is probably 40~50 years ahead of Philadelphia.
Boston possesses a considerably longer expanse of prime real estate (a long "V") compared to Philly's that are concentrated about Center City ....Boston; Harvard's Allston Campus all the way to North Point, Cambridge, Boston College from the Reservior/Brigham's Circle area clear to the North End (down the middle), and Brookline Village & Longwood all the way through the South End, to the eastern flank of the Seaport and Southie with many neighborhoods rising on their flanks fanning out to extremely affluent neighborhoods.... massive density in the many dozens of millions of sq ft is also planned or under construction: All prime real estate which will command top rents on the business and residential markets.
Boston is a lot closer; probably about 8: 10 in scale when compared to San Francisco in it's totality of prime real estate. The two cities are strikingly similar; save San Francisco's sheer concentrated core, and Boston's incredible rowhouse neighborhoods.
[Philly + Boston's + SF's prime, dense real estate] barely measures up to just [Chicago's Downtown + North Side (the King)]. This is summed up similarly, if you add the votes in the poll.
You have proven over and over again to not know anything about Philadelphia outside of Center City. Why do you continue? City data has information on neighborhoods with census data, and it shows that there are many neighborhoods outside of Center City that have higher density. Why don't you look at the facts?
You have proven over and over again to not know anything about Philadelphia outside of Center City. Why do you continue? City data has information on neighborhoods with census data, and it shows that there are many neighborhoods outside of Center City that have higher density. Why don't you look at the facts?
Philadelphia does obviously consist of much more than what that guy said. Walnut/Chestnut/Market/ "a few blocks in Chinatown"/and near Jims on South Street consists of where they drop off the tourists and where actual Philadelphians never go.
The other cities have much more upscale shopping. I didn't think that's what we were judging though.
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The Philly skyline goes from Delaware River to about 45th Street in West Philly.Thats 4.5 miles. Not quite as wide as the entire city of SF but close.
Here is a shot of center city Philly from 12th to 30th .So there is rougly a mile of extended skyline/downtown not shown to both the east and west of this photo.
I dont think you can argue the linear aspect of downtown Philly in comparison to SF. Its wider and more spread out by a ton.
Old City,East Market, Midtown Village,Rittenhouse,West Market, University City act as a interwoven connected downtown. Again roghly 4.5 miles from E-W. 1.5 Miles N-S
photo credit phillycom
We'll have to disagree. I don't think those areas area remotely on the level of their SF downtown-type equivalents. Though I do love Philly's townhouse density.
Philly is generally weak on street level activation throughout it's neighborhoods. Yet, nowhere is this more evident than Market Street itself. Obviously it's lack of 'iconic' activation is made up for considerably by Chestnut and Walnut Streets, and to some extent the blocks between Arch and Race Streets (in Chinatown). ...South Street is "max activation," but it needs to expand... Bottom line; the sum total of Philly's dense, prime real estate is several levels below the scale of SF..... Philadelphia still has a 'good ways' to go in terms of improved, 20 hour-a-day walkable neighborhoods. San Francisco is probably 40~50 years ahead of Philadelphia.
Boston possesses a considerably longer expanse of prime real estate (a long "V") compared to Philly's that are concentrated about Center City ....Boston; Harvard's Allston Campus all the way to North Point, Cambridge, Boston College from the Reservior/Brigham's Circle area clear to the North End (down the middle), and Brookline Village & Longwood all the way through the South End, to the eastern flank of the Seaport and Southie with many neighborhoods rising on their flanks fanning out to extremely affluent neighborhoods.... massive density in the many dozens of millions of sq ft is also planned or under construction: All prime real estate which will command top rents on the business and residential markets.
Boston is a lot closer; probably about 8: 10 in scale when compared to San Francisco in it's totality of prime real estate. The two cities are strikingly similar; save San Francisco's sheer concentrated core, and Boston's incredible rowhouse neighborhoods.
[Philly + Boston's + SF's prime, dense real estate] barely measures up to just [Chicago's Downtown + North Side (the King)]. This is summed up similarly, if you add the votes in the poll.
Not sure why you bother posting about Philadelphia. You flat out don't know what you're talking about.
You have proven over and over again to not know anything about Philadelphia outside of Center City. Why do you continue? City data has information on neighborhoods with census data, and it shows that there are many neighborhoods outside of Center City that have higher density. Why don't you look at the facts?
His posts are like deciphering hieroglyphics sometimes.
The Philly skyline goes from Delaware River to about 45th Street in West Philly.Thats 4.5 miles. Not quite as wide as the entire city of SF but close.
Here is a shot of center city Philly from 12th to 30th .So there is rougly a mile of extended skyline/downtown not shown to both the east and west of this photo.
I dont think you can argue the linear aspect of downtown Philly in comparison to SF. Its wider and more spread out by a ton.
Old City,East Market, Midtown Village,Rittenhouse,West Market, University City act as a interwoven connected downtown. Again roghly 4.5 miles from E-W. 1.5 Miles N-S
photo credit phillycom
Great photo. BTW, this view actually stretches from 8th Street to just west of 30th Street. The tall building at the right edge of the photo is the Saint James apartment tower located at 8th and Walnut Streets.
I think people unfamiliar with Toronto are either leaving it out of their ranking completely or are simply underestimating it by a lot. The downtown core competes only with Chicago in terms of # high rises and competes only with San Francisco in terms of density/diversity/vibrancy. I would say it's a sizeable step ahead of the other cities in all categories. That being said they ALL have impressive, vibrant downtown cores.
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