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In terms of Buffalo, it has its share of urban suburbs, including one of the most dense(top 100) incorporated municipalities in the country in Kenmore. There's also places like Lackawanna, North Tonawanda, Tonawanda(city) and even villages like Hamburg and Lancaster, among other places.
I don't think an objective argument can be made that the recreation amenities the great lakes cities have access to, could some how be trumped by Birmingham or Tucson. Most every cities have access to trail networks these days as well.
I would go with Louisville. It's like a mini-Austin in a lot of ways with a very vibrant LGBT community. For a city its size, it has a diverse range of amenities. I also like Salt Lake City but am not big on the state government in Utah. New Orleans is a great place to visit but I can't see myself living there.
I am guessing OKC and Memphis were left off this poll because they almost always lose when compared to other cities in this tier?
Louisville certainly has by far the most construction and momentum....10 BILLION in construction and currently 25 hotels to fuel the boom.
To me Louisville and Richmond stand out in this bunch for that reason.
New Orleans is culturally the most superior city, but its crime and urban poverty are so staggering its hard to dismiss. Salt Lake is certainly the cleanest, best transit, and most upside being in interior west....
Louisville actually is fourth in LGBT in this bunch....but 11th in the nation! These metros are very gay friendly except Birmingham.
New Orleans, Hartford, Salt Lake, and Louisville stand well above the pack in terms of LGBT living, culture, shopping, and especially, nightlife (I'd argue gay nightlife in Louisville is more robust than straight).
Ultimately, all these cities are surprisingly nice and urban in parts (I don't like Tucson, though).
Louisville certainly has by far the most construction and momentum....10 BILLION in construction and currently 25 hotels to fuel the boom.
I don't know that I would agree with this. As someone who spends a lot time in Louisville I know it has momentum. I'd like to know how far back you'd have to chart developments and what would be included to see how it got to the $10 billion dollar figure. When i'm in Louisville the progress is remarkable, but it does not seem like the most construction or momentum by far.
Please respond with facts, and research the other cities on this list before making these claims instead of resorting to the typical hyperbole.
Rochester has Upper and Lower Falls, Ontario State Park, Highland Park, and Cobbs Hill Park, Corbett's Glen all within City limits (36 sq miles), as well as the Mendon Ponds that would be in city limits if they were anywhere near the size of Birmingham. Rochester is also 45 minutes from Letchworth State Park which is one of the most stunning areas in the whole country.
I don't know that I would agree with this. As someone who spends a lot time in Louisville I know it has momentum. I'd like to know how far back you'd have to chart developments and what would be included to see how it got to the $10 billion dollar figure. When i'm in Louisville the progress is remarkable, but it does not seem like the most construction or momentum by far.
Please respond with facts, and research the other cities on this list before making these claims instead of resorting to the typical hyperbole.
9 billion in CURRENT or proposed construction. Why would Louisville's mayor exaggerate that? This does not count roads and infrastructure. There has easily been 1 billion announced since the state of the city address earlier this year.
JUST this week hundreds of millions in new construction announced:
(this list is not exhaustive as tons of large apartment projects not on there)
Louisville has 11 tower cranes up throughout the city. There is no "hyperbole." Only facts. So, what other city on this list even has a local website that tracks that much development? I have been to all of them in the last 5 years and Louisville is developing from a commercial real estate stand point much faster than any of them. One of the reason Louisville's population growth isn't as high (it's about average) is a lot of the city's new residents are gay, young singles, or empty nesters (thus small household sizes). I was just checking census data and Louisville has a low birth rate and high death rate (lots of elderly here).
If one of these other cities has this many projects listed, I'd like to see a map. The changes in Louisville are transformative.
Louisville's Business Journal put the number at 1.2 billion as of last year, and 4billion projected metro-wide. That puts it inline with other cities on this list. It's not an outlier compared to these other cities, not in new contruction, not in population growth, not in economic growth.
The data doesn't support this psychological need you have to dominate these discussions. The style of boosting you are employing does more harm than good to your cause of getting the word about Louisville out.
Louisville's Business Journal put the number at 1.2 billion as of last year, and 4billion projected metro-wide. That puts it inline with other cities on this list. It's not an outlier compared to these other cities, not in new contruction, not in population growth, not in economic growth.
The data doesn't support this psychological need you have to dominate these discussions. The style of boosting you are employing does more harm than good to your cause of getting the word about Louisville out.
There's no style here. I would contact the mayor's office and see why the numbers differ so greatly. I really don't get why you are getting upset with me over the mayor's numbers? Maybe you should contact him and call his bluff? Wouldn't he know more than business first?
1.2 billion is way low though, just includes downtown, and was from a year ago. I can think of 6 projects off the top of my head that equal that.
Back to the discussion, which city here has a list like the project watch list? You are stating that the other cities here have this kind of construction. Which ones?
I know SLC has some impressive stuff in the pipeline....
I guess we will discredit Louisville's mayor Fischer number of 9 billion in local development in his 2017 state of the city address because it offends people.
Direct Quote:
"Our median wage, adjusted for the cost of living, has increased every year since 2008.
In 2015 alone,*more than 10,000 Louisvillians lifted themselves out of poverty. And more than 7,000 Louisville families joined the middle class.
And, we’ve got an unprecedented $9 billion invested in capital projects all over our city." --Louisville Mayor Greg Fischer.
What are the other city mayors stating? Does anyone have links to a Business First or similar project watch listing multimillion dollar developments for each city here?I'd love to know what development I am missing.
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You might be right. I'm no longer there to know consistent news on either city, but it appears Buffalo at least more jobs created and lower unemployment...
Raleigh should have been included, as could have other cities, but Raleigh surpasses her 1.3 million max, so it's understandable...
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I feel like the situation with Raleigh is a bit cloudy with the Durham metro being statistically separated, but geographically overlapping it. I didn't want that argument of whether it belonged in this tier to dominate the thread with back and forth.
OKC and Memphis have metro's that are over the population thresh hold I used to create the discussion.
I understand why you excluded Raleigh. I think to most everyone familiar with Raleigh, they sensibly understand Raleigh, not Raleigh-Durham, is within the tier of all these cities, rather than cities in that 1.8-2.2 million range. Like I said though, I understand why you excluded it, but Raleigh very much belongs in this class...
You might be right. I'm no longer there to know consistent news on either city, but it appears Buffalo at least more jobs created and lower unemployment...
Raleigh should have been included, as could have other cities, but Raleigh surpasses her 1.3 million max, so it's understandable...
I understand why you excluded Raleigh. I think to most everyone familiar with Raleigh, they sensibly understand Raleigh, not Raleigh-Durham, is within the tier of all these cities, rather than cities in that 1.8-2.2 million range. Like I said though, I understand why you excluded it, but Raleigh very much belongs in this class...
I think Raleigh is quickly passing these cities at least economically....
Out of these cities it seems to me to be a clear race between SLC, Richmond and Louisville. I cannot find a current construction list for SLC....That would help here.
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