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Old 10-12-2017, 09:08 PM
 
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You can't put MInneapolis as a Tier 2 city and St Paul as a tier 4. they are both tier 2 cities.
They are both the same city.
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Old 10-12-2017, 10:09 PM
 
Location: Carver County, MN
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Wait, you are using a real estate web site as reference for population statistics? And you are also looking at annual numbers? If this is accurate, what is the need for the US census. We should save our tax dollars.
The data shown on the Texas A&M real estate site is pulled directly from US Census Bureau estimates. Decade census counts are also shown. I just like referring to their site because it is easier to read and research.
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Old 10-13-2017, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Paris
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You can't put MInneapolis as a Tier 2 city and St Paul as a tier 4. they are both tier 2 cities.
You mean because they're the same right? Not St. Paul on its own compared to cities like St. Louis and Cleveland, right?
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Old 10-13-2017, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Paris
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The data shown on the Texas A&M real estate site is pulled directly from US Census Bureau estimates. Decade census counts are also shown. I just like referring to their site because it is easier to read and research.
The estimates are pretty useless though to be honest...
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Old 10-13-2017, 07:23 AM
 
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The estimates are pretty useless though to be honest...
Thank you for saying this. I hate it when people use estimates to argue that City X is in decline, when every decennial census shows growth.
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Old 10-13-2017, 09:46 AM
 
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Yes WRONG

The region has had slow growth since about 2013.

U.S. Census Bureau says metro Detroit grew in 2015

also source your data, thanks.
Look. The information I posted is from the Decennial Census; they are official. You are referring to estimates, which are notoriously wrong. Feel free to reach out after the 2020 numbers are released and let me know if the Detroit metro is growing again. As of right now, I'm right - it's been declining.

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Old 10-13-2017, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Thank you for saying this. I hate it when people use estimates to argue that City X is in decline, when every decennial census shows growth.
Some people do the opposite, such is the case with Detroit-estimates say slow growth (and extremely slow, I would describe it as stagnating) but people act like it is proof of a renaissance. I'm not saying a renaissance is or is not happening but commenting on that specific piece of evidence people bring up.
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Old 10-13-2017, 12:54 PM
 
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Some people do the opposite, such is the case with Detroit-estimates say slow growth (and extremely slow, I would describe it as stagnating) but people act like it is proof of a renaissance. I'm not saying a renaissance is or is not happening but commenting on that specific piece of evidence people bring up.
I haven’t been to Detroit, and don’t know anything about it, but I currently live in a city that undergoing a Renaissance that isn’t reflected by raw census numbers. Sometimes you really need to be on the ground to see it. If people in Detroit see their city becoming a better place, I’m not willing to argue that it isn’t happening.
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Old 10-13-2017, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Louisville
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Some people do the opposite, such is the case with Detroit-estimates say slow growth (and extremely slow, I would describe it as stagnating) but people act like it is proof of a renaissance. I'm not saying a renaissance is or is not happening but commenting on that specific piece of evidence people bring up.
I think when you consider the economic malaise the Detroit region was stuck in from 02-2011 and that the region lost a couple hundred thousand residents during the great recession(and even more clout economically), the fact that it's posting even anemic gains so quickly is noteworthy, where it's rustbelt counterparts are still posting regional declines.

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I haven’t been to Detroit, and don’t know anything about it, but I currently live in a city that undergoing a Renaissance that isn’t reflected by raw census numbers. Sometimes you really need to be on the ground to see it. If people in Detroit see their city becoming a better place, I’m not willing to argue that it isn’t happening.
I can understand that. I think the difference between Detroit and PGH is how much further Detroit fell, and how much area that decline covered. I think it will take good deal more time for the evidence of recovery to show to people not very familiar with the city. Right now most of the resurgence has been happening in Midtown, Downtown, and some of the immediate satellite neighborhoods, where as the vast neighborhoods in the city have been largely untouched by new investment. To realize the billions of investment to get the city even this far shows just how far it declined.
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Old 10-13-2017, 02:09 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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I think when you consider the economic malaise the Detroit region was stuck in from 02-2011 and that the region lost a couple hundred thousand residents during the great recession(and even more clout economically), the fact that it's posting even anemic gains so quickly is noteworthy, where it's rustbelt counterparts are still posting regional declines.



I can understand that. I think the difference between Detroit and PGH is how much further Detroit fell, and how much area that decline covered. I think it will take good deal more time for the evidence of recovery to show to people not very familiar with the city. Right now most of the resurgence has been happening in Midtown, Downtown, and some of the immediate satellite neighborhoods, where as the vast neighborhoods in the city have been largely untouched by new investment. To realize the billions of investment to get the city even this far shows just how far it declined.
I believe the majority of mid to large sized rust belt cities have started a rebound or have hit an inflection point on loss over the last seven or so years.
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