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View Poll Results: Which alternate reality city looked more appealing
San Francisco 22 55.00%
New York City 18 45.00%
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Old 07-17-2018, 07:33 PM
 
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I know this might be outside the interest of this forum, but I recently binge watched every single episode of "The Man in the High Castle". For those of you guys who don't know the premise, the basis of the book (and TV series) was that the Axis won WW2 and were able to occupy most of the United States. Japan created an occupied "Japanese Pacific States" along the West Coast, and the Eastern US became Nazi America. The capitals of both regions were respectively, San Francisco and New York City. DC was apparently atom bombed and LA wasn't really mentioned in either the book or the show.

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My question is which city looked more appealing in the book and show from an urban aesthetic point of view? My opinion is that NYC looks relatively similar to what 1960s NYC would have looked like, with the obvious exception that demographics look different . San Francisco under Japanese rule looks like a completely different city, and in some ways, looks pretty interesting.
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Old 07-17-2018, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Louisiana to Houston to Denver to NOVA
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San Francisco because of more accepting racial society and weather compared to 1960s air conditioning.
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Old 07-18-2018, 08:01 AM
 
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SF was slightly more racially tolerant, but it looks mad depressing and not nearly as advanced as NYC. I'd rather take my chances in NYC since neither was exactly a beacon of tolerance and at least NYC looked prettier and more civilized lol

As for LA not being mentioned in the book or show, at the time of WWII, LA wasn't nearly as prominent as it is today, or even right after the war. And since it is in Japanese-controlled territory, it makes even more sense that it was overlooked, since SF had a much stronger Japanese influence at that time than LA.
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Old 07-18-2018, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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You forgot the neutral zone.

Anyhow Id pick SF because Im not white and in Nazi controlled NY Id probably be dead.

I like being alive.
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Old 07-18-2018, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Brew City
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San Francisco because it's closer to Denver and the neutral zone.
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Old 07-18-2018, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis, Minnesota
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Ultimately and superficially, I'd be better off in New York as a white person of northern European ancestry. However, on a quality of life level, I'd have to completely live in the closet as a gay person (anyone who isn't straight, white, Christian, and perfectly healthy is promptly executed).

So...either place is going to offer a miserable existence, as far as I'm concerned.
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Old 07-18-2018, 11:53 AM
 
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Ultimately and superficially, I'd be better off in New York as a white person of northern European ancestry. However, on a quality of life level, I'd have to completely live in the closet as a gay person (anyone who isn't straight, white, Christian, and perfectly healthy is promptly executed).

So...either place is going to offer a miserable existence, as far as I'm concerned.
Same boat. Gay Jew here lol. But I don't look Jewish and don't come off as gay so if I faked my entire life, I'd have a better quality of life in NYC than SF. Doesn't seem like anyone is really doing all that well in SF.
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Old 07-18-2018, 12:03 PM
 
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You forgot the neutral zone.

Anyhow Id pick SF because Im not white and in Nazi controlled NY Id probably be dead.

I like being alive.

The Japanese were pretty Brutal too
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Old 07-18-2018, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, Minnesota
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Exactly. If you’re not a full-blooded Japanese person in San Francisco, you are automatically a second-class citizen with limited economic opportunities and essentially no rights.
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Old 07-18-2018, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, Minnesota
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Same boat. Gay Jew here lol. But I don't look Jewish and don't come off as gay so if I faked my entire life, I'd have a better quality of life in NYC than SF. Doesn't seem like anyone is really doing all that well in SF.
The Nazis would have done genetic testing to determine your ancestry, and probably would have developed testing for homosexuality as well, so the both of us would eventually end up as ash billowing from a crematorium.
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