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Old 08-11-2019, 04:34 PM
 
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take a walk around Englewood in Chicago
Back of the Yards and Bronzeville are already gentrifying and in a few years gentrification will be well underway in Englewood
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Old 08-11-2019, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Tupelo, Ms
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Back of the Yards and Bronzeville are already gentrifying and in a few years gentrification will be well underway in Englewood
Bronzeville is already gentrified per say.
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Old 08-11-2019, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Chicago- Hyde Park
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Back of the Yards and Bronzeville are already gentrifying and in a few years gentrification will be well underway in Englewood
Bronzeville is gentrifying but the process is slow and stagnant from 39th to 51st west of King Dr.

Back of the Yards- not gentrifying yet

Englewood- Will not be gentrifying anytime soon unfortunately. No Whole Foods isn’t gentrifying the neighborhood.
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Old 08-12-2019, 01:35 AM
 
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Bronzeville is gentrifying but the process is slow and stagnant from 39th to 51st west of King Dr.

Back of the Yards- not gentrifying yet

Englewood- Will not be gentrifying anytime soon unfortunately. No Whole Foods isn’t gentrifying the neighborhood.
I mean, they wouldn't put a Whole Foods there if there weren't people to shop there.
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Old 08-12-2019, 01:53 AM
 
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Bronzeville is gentrifying but the process is slow and stagnant from 39th to 51st west of King Dr.

Back of the Yards- not gentrifying yet

Englewood- Will not be gentrifying anytime soon unfortunately. No Whole Foods isn’t gentrifying the neighborhood.
I don't quite know what I'm talking about and I've done a limited amount of research. What I'm most sure of, anyway, is that Douglas and Bronzeville will be the next areas to gentrify. The near West side at the same time probably.

I looked at the 2010 demographic map on wiki and literally it's all blue (black) in these two neighborhoods, but I'm sure the 2020 distribution will look more red (white) with the way Chicago is rapidly gentrifying from the core and seeing tons of development/investment,

(although continuing to lose population overall, especially in the black communities)
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Old 08-12-2019, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Chicago- Hyde Park
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I mean, they wouldn't put a Whole Foods there if there weren't people to shop there.
yeah I’m not sure what you’re talking about

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I don't quite know what I'm talking about and I've done a limited amount of research. What I'm most sure of, anyway, is that Douglas and Bronzeville will be the next areas to gentrify. The near West side at the same time probably.

I looked at the 2010 demographic map on wiki and literally it's all blue (black) in these two neighborhoods, but I'm sure the 2020 distribution will look more red (white) with the way Chicago is rapidly gentrifying from the core and seeing tons of development/investment,

(although continuing to lose population overall, especially in the black communities)
Douglas south of 35th I would argue is gentrified in terms of middle class and is actually a diverse population.

Grand Boulevard (most of Bronzeville) is still in the process of gentrifying and probably can take another 10 years before the demographics have fully change.

The Near West Side is fully gentrified in some areas mainly due to the expansion of the medical district and UIC.

In my opinion in order to fast track the gentrification process in areas like Englewood or Back of the Yards major projects will have to happen to help transform the landscape of the community.
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Old 08-12-2019, 04:39 PM
 
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Sergio Robleto, an LAPD sergeant said LAPD was fired upon 55 times in one month in 1993. And that's just in the City of LA. That's almost twice a day.

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The police weren't even allowed in Cabrini Green until snipers allowed them to enter anytime they were dispatched there. It was the same at Stateway Gardens and the Robert Taylor Homes. Chicago had the worst projects in the country. Henry Horner Homes had an incident where snipers shot 10 cops in shootout. When they'd kill cops snipers would supress them with gunfire to stop them from collecting their bodies sometimes for days. The Mayor moved out of Cabrini after only staying there a handful of times over a few months as a publicity stunt to prove it was safe. She had 24/7 Chicago Police security detail and a reinforced apartment. "Firing upon" the police was a daily ritual for decades in the buildings.
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Old 08-12-2019, 05:10 PM
 
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Uhhh the reason suburban parents and the whole god damn world knows about bloods and crips is because they were so mainstream. They made movies, music, etc. They were glorified more than any Chicago gang.

Just because Chicago gangs do it through IG and Snapchat instead of those mediums doesn't mean LA did not do it.


To top it off. Chicago has winters. So a lot of the homicides and crime was condensed to half the year. And stil l is.
These are two of the best points I've heard yet. As you pointed out Bloods and Crips were the subject of countless movies, TV shows, books, documentaries, songs etc. etc. for decades. Chicago gangs have had next to no media exposure yet still spread as wide over the years with more members nationally. That goes to my point about Chicago gangs spreading more organically with leaders typically having ties to Chicago and being sanctioned where people in other states just copy what they've seen in pop culture with L.A. gangs. Even today with the spotlight being heavily on Chicago's murders and gang/gun violence they rarely ever mention the name of the gangs they are covering. They don't say Black Disciples or Black P. Stones and give lengthy history but they always infatically paint detailed portraits of Bloods/Crips/MS-13 whenever they tell a story. Even local Chicago news anchors don't generally ever say what gang did what shooting unless it was a major takedown.

Your other point about extreme winters is also accurate, if Chicago had L.A.'s weather year 'round homicides would be exponentially worse. Months like December and January can have over 60 murders when it's brutal outside, I couldn't imagine if it was 70 degrees.
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Old 08-12-2019, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Maine
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The police weren't even allowed in Cabrini Green until snipers allowed them to enter anytime they were dispatched there. It was the same at Stateway Gardens and the Robert Taylor Homes. Chicago had the worst projects in the country. Henry Horner Homes had an incident where snipers shot 10 cops in shootout. When they'd kill cops snipers would supress them with gunfire to stop them from collecting their bodies sometimes for days. The Mayor moved out of Cabrini after only staying there a handful of times over a few months as a publicity stunt to prove it was safe. She had 24/7 Chicago Police security detail and a reinforced apartment. "Firing upon" the police was a daily ritual for decades in the buildings.
Those incidents you're talking are from a news article you googled that happened way back in 1969 and 1970, an era where some wild stuff happened.

That mass police shooting happened after police killed a black Vietnam soldier on leave to attend his brother's funeral, who was also killed by the police 5 days prior. That was a real unstable time period. Crazy stuff happened then that would be rare in the 90s onward, like the assassination of JFK, Malcom X, Martin Luther King, Robert F Kennedy, and some major riots nationwide.

The other incident, where they wouldn't let the cops in "for days" to recover bodies which is an outright lie, happened in 1970. The cops got in and busted every door in Cabrini Green down and they beat the daylights out of them in there.

That's the type of stuff that caused the LA riots in 1992 where 63 were killed, 2,383 were injured and over 12,000 were arrested. No city has seen anything like that in the US especially in the modern era.

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Old 08-12-2019, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Maine
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Your other point about extreme winters is also accurate, if Chicago had L.A.'s weather year 'round homicides would be exponentially worse. Months like December and January can have over 60 murders when it's brutal outside, I couldn't imagine if it was 70 degrees.
The same can be said for LA in another way. If LA had the nearly 40% black population Chicago had, LA City would've had 2,000 homicides and LA County would've had 4,000 homicides.

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