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Old 12-01-2019, 03:47 PM
 
Location: NYC, VA, JP
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Isn't that the highest in the whole country at the moment? What's going on in Harvey, criminals from South Chicago moving in?

That's much higher than Flint, MI even, which according to Flint police, has 42 homicides so far this year which is a rate of 43.8 per 100k.
I think that title belongs to East St. Louis, as usual. They have 30+ murders already and they're basically the same population.
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Old 12-01-2019, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Bronx, NY
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Unlike just about every other city, Baltimore doesn't have a concentrated area or select neighborhoods with high homicide rates, it's pretty much the entire city. Even St. Louis has a relatively safe stretch from downtown out to Forest Park and south of Delmar Avenue.

Entire city is broken, no one takes accountability and there's no hopeful projects projecting some bright future. City's best move has been its recent bulldozing of abandoned homes/crack dens Detroit-style, but it has a long way to go.
It's crazy. In NYC there's cameras everywhere, perps are caught right away by detectives, and compstat allows nypd to track crime trends and send available resources to rid itself of the issue. Furthermore, nypd identifies, while its happening, reasons for increase in homicides, shootings etc; for example say like a gang was found to be the cause, within days nypd arrest everyone in the gang and anybody associated with it. This then allows crime to drop and it's why NYC has been able to avoid any long term increase in crime.

With all that being said, it's incredibly hard for criminals in NYC. You will be caught. Why can't this work in Baltimore? Why not install cameras everywhere, increase the police force, hire a NYPD compstat savvy commissioner, and detectives. I don't get why American cities just can't copy that blue print. No reason any city should have a murder rate higher than 5 per 100 k.
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Old 12-02-2019, 06:38 AM
 
Location: Northeast states
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It's crazy. In NYC there's cameras everywhere, perps are caught right away by detectives, and compstat allows nypd to track crime trends and send available resources to rid itself of the issue. Furthermore, nypd identifies, while its happening, reasons for increase in homicides, shootings etc; for example say like a gang was found to be the cause, within days nypd arrest everyone in the gang and anybody associated with it. This then allows crime to drop and it's why NYC has been able to avoid any long term increase in crime.

With all that being said, it's incredibly hard for criminals in NYC. You will be caught. Why can't this work in Baltimore? Why not install cameras everywhere, increase the police force, hire a NYPD compstat savvy commissioner, and detectives. I don't get why American cities just can't copy that blue print. No reason any city should have a murder rate higher than 5 per 100 k.
NYC is going through gentrification and it expensive while Baltimore is still cheap don’t have resources like NY
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Old 12-02-2019, 07:58 AM
 
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Isn't that the highest in the whole country at the moment? What's going on in Harvey, criminals from South Chicago moving in?

That's much higher than Flint, MI even, which according to Flint police, has 42 homicides so far this year which is a rate of 43.8 per 100k.
It's a garbage suburb of 24,000 people. I believe the police have pulled back a lot on cracking down on things, morale is terrible, layoffs in the department and a few officers fired for corruption. The criminals all know these things and they assume rightfully so that they're able to get away with much more than they would have.

Also when you get down to 24,000 people the per 100,000 rates we all use can fluctuate much more with relatively fewer sheer numbers of murders.

I think most of the time when doing comparisons people tend to look at larger cities of over 100,000 people. There might be other towns in the usa with 24,000 people who have seen 19 murders, not sure.

East St Louis has a similar population and had 24 murders last year which would be a rate close to 100 per 100,000.
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Old 12-02-2019, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, New York
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NYC is going through gentrification and it expensive while Baltimore is still cheap don’t have resources like NY
NYC crime dropped even in areas that have no gentrification and have the same demographics as before.
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Old 12-02-2019, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Montreal now at 17.
Ottawa, Canada's capital (1 million people), is now at 14.
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Old 12-02-2019, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Land of the Free
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Arlington, VA - 2 this year, 237,000 people
Alexandria, VA - also at 2, 160,000 people

Both are dense, diverse, have income disparity, and are right across the river from downtown Washington. Why on earth are their homicide rates so low compared to DC?

I'd guess the light Virginia gun laws might actually help, but that wouldn't explain why Richmond is so high.
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Old 12-02-2019, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Flawduh
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Arlington, VA - 2 this year, 237,000 people
Alexandria, VA - also at 2, 160,000 people

Both are dense, diverse, have income disparity, and are right across the river from downtown Washington. Why on earth are their homicide rates so low compared to DC?

I'd guess the light Virginia gun laws might actually help, but that wouldn't explain why Richmond is so high.
So your guess makes no sense then.
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Old 12-02-2019, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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My city of Gatineau, Quebec which is right across the river from Ottawa, Ontario, has 1 murder so far this year. Our population is 285,000. (Our lone murder was committed by guys from Ottawa. )


Some years we have none. Others we might have as many as 5. Usually we average 2-3.
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Old 12-02-2019, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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Arlington, VA - 2 this year, 237,000 people
Alexandria, VA - also at 2, 160,000 people

Both are dense, diverse, have income disparity, and are right across the river from downtown Washington. Why on earth are their homicide rates so low compared to DC?
Because people like to push their rose colored glasses narratives despite looking at actual facts.

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I'd guess the light Virginia gun laws might actually help, but that wouldn't explain why Richmond is so high.
There is little evidence to show they help. In addition, Richmond has a history of crime and run down areas. The city has done a poor job of lowering crime. Crime, especially homicides, does not include a one size fits all resolution. You have to consider the system in place that supports the crime.
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