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I had a premeditated idea that Dallas and Houston were very similar, so I don't think my conclusions were the result of confirmation bias. The opposite, honestly. I was surprised how different they were.
As a lifelong Midwesterner, Dallas has always felt pretty comfortable/similar to what I'm used to in a big city. Houston felt like a whole different world altogether.
Houston may be a "different world" altogether , however that does not mean the difference is cause by it being more "southern" . Most people will say Houston has a faster pace and is more hectic/chaotic than Dallas , its more international ect.. none of this comports with Houston being more southern.
Houston is definably further to the south than Dallas, but your own descriptions of Houston such as "giant jumbled mess" and "whole different world" lead me to think you see Houston as something different, not only from Dallas ,but perhaps any other place you have ever been as well .
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Literally Jack Lance is the only person I’ve encountered on here that thinks Dallas is more southern than Houston. I’m not saying Dallas isn’t southern at all, just not to the degree of Houston.
Dallas has a Great Plains, Midwestern vibe that doesn’t exist in Houston even slightly.
Literally Jack Lance is the only person I’ve encountered on here that thinks Dallas is more southern than Houston. I’m not saying Dallas isn’t southern at all, just not to the degree of Houston.
Dallas has a Great Plains, Midwestern vibe that doesn’t exist in Houston even slightly.
What is a midwestern vibe? Dallas is not even close enough to the Midwest to even make that claim. Dallas historically and even to this day has very little connections with cities like Kansas City or St. Louis. Memphis is actually the city that does have more of a connection with those midwestern cities. Dallas is a city located off I20 the highway that is most associated with the American Deep South. Y’all really need to chill out with the midwestern vibe because it really doesn’t make much sense.
Literally Jack Lance is the only person I’ve encountered on here that thinks Dallas is more southern than Houston. I’m not saying Dallas isn’t southern at all, just not to the degree of Houston.
Dallas has a Great Plains, Midwestern vibe that doesn’t exist in Houston even slightly.
Woops looks like kdogg just proved you wrong...
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What is a midwestern vibe? Dallas is not even close enough to the Midwest to even make that claim. Dallas historically and even to this day has very little connections with cities like Kansas City or St. Louis. Memphis is actually the city that does have more of a connection with those midwestern cities. Dallas is a city located off I20 the highway that is most associated with the American Deep South. Y’all really need to chill out with the midwestern vibe because it really doesn’t make much sense.
I was just about to post about I-20 , but you know it much better than I...
Dallas is also located on I-35, a highway that's synonymous with the cities along the eastern edge of the Plains. Minneapolis, Des Moines, Kansas City, Wichita, OKC.
Dallas is in the South, definitely has noticeable Southern elements, but (especially when compared to Houston), it also has a vibe that's very simpatico with the aforementioned cities. No one is saying Dallas is Midwestern, but it shares a lot with places that are in terms of it's history, traditional economy, topography, climate, etc. Much more so than Houston does.
What is a midwestern vibe? Dallas is not even close enough to the Midwest to even make that claim. Dallas historically and even to this day has very little connections with cities like Kansas City or St. Louis. Memphis is actually the city that does have more of a connection with those midwestern cities. Dallas is a city located off I20 the highway that is most associated with the American Deep South. Y’all really need to chill out with the midwestern vibe because it really doesn’t make much sense.
It makes sense to me.
Drive due north leaving Dallas. The landscape doesnt change into the Dakotas (and yes Ive made the drive of number times). Its been said Dallas is the capital of the Southern Plains and I can agree with that sentiment.
Fort Worth has a Southwestern vibe to it. Its not like the desert Southwest but its the gateway to the Southwest from the East.
So does DFW have a Midwestern vibe like Indiana, Ohio, or Wisconsin? No. Does it have a vibe like Kansas and Nebraska? Yes.
Houston on the other hand is very green and forested like youd be more likely to see in the South through Louisiana, Alabama, and Georgia.
I never once said Dallas wasnt Southern at all, its just at the crossroads of several regions. I said its not as Southern as Houston.
Dallas is also located on I-35, a highway that's synonymous with the cities along the eastern edge of the Plains. Minneapolis, Des Moines, Kansas City, Wichita, OKC.
Dallas is in the South, definitely has noticeable Southern elements, but (especially when compared to Houston), it also has a vibe that's very simpatico with the aforementioned cities. No one is saying Dallas is Midwestern, but it shares a lot with places that are in terms of it's history, traditional economy, topography, climate, etc. Much more so than Houston does.
Now this I can agree with and you worded it exceptionally well.
Drive due north leaving Dallas. The landscape doesnt change into the Dakotas (and yes Ive made the drive of number times). Its been said Dallas is the capital of the Southern Plains and I can agree with that sentiment.
Fort Worth has a Southwestern vibe to it. Its not like the desert Southwest but its the gateway to the Southwest from the East.
So does DFW have a Midwestern vibe like Indiana, Ohio, or Wisconsin? No. Does it have a vibe like Kansas and Nebraska? Yes.
Houston on the other hand is very green and forested like youd be more likely to see in the South through Louisiana, Alabama, and Georgia.
I never once said Dallas wasnt Southern at all, its just at the crossroads of several regions. I said its not as Southern as Houston.
Correct and I made a distinction years ago that there are two Midwests. Great Plains Midwest and Great Lakes Midwest. Dallas has nothing in common with Great Lakes Midwest but Great Plains, Dallas shares some characteristics. You can't ignore it. Dallas isn't all that far from Wichita.
I think a lot of the description of Dallas as "Midwestern" is more about the look and feel than the culture. I definitely agree that parts of the metroplex look Midwestern, but the metro as a whole is unquestionably southern.
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