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Old 10-29-2019, 04:55 AM
 
Location: Cleveland and Columbus OH
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The Boston block is a block of bowfronts.

The one in New York, standard half-hexagonal bay windows of the kind you find in cities all over the country.

Sorry - Boston's bowfronts remain unique to Boston.



Sorry but they look similar my man. That's all the poster was asking.
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Old 10-29-2019, 06:13 AM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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Sorry but they look similar my man. That's all the poster was asking.
If I can tell the styles apart....

You did see where I revised my remarks after another poster put up a street view of a row of Baltimore bowfronts?

I guess I have a stricter definition of "looks like". I'm going for verisimilitude, not approximations.

Philadelphia's elegant rowhouse blocks are less uniform than they are in any of the other three cities. Here, for instance, is the 2000 block of Spruce Street in Rittenhouse Square:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/20...!4d-75.1744883
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Old 10-29-2019, 06:38 AM
 
Location: Terramaria
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I just walked through a good slice of DC yesterday. One thing I was paying attention is "look for the Baltimore-style homes", which meant formstone as well as some Italianates set right against the street with several white steps. I could count the number of formstone houses in one hand, with a couple on U Street NW just west of 15th, a lone porchfront example on New Hampshire Ave. just downtown from the Georgia Ave.-Petworth station, and a couple more in Columbia Heights. A small row Italiantes with brick and white marble steps were on 9th street a few blocks from the Convention Center also stands, similar to Baltimore neighborhoods like Union Square and Butchers Hill. It thankfully didn't quite dominate like the Victorians and bayfronts did, with some porchfronts, many with stucco roofs in further out neighborhoods as well as the federal style rows in Georgetown. I just wish DC had a few brownstone blocks since that's really lacking and if it did, I'd rank it second to Philly.

NYC of course does it the most extravagant with the houses in the UES, followed by the UWS, Murray Hill, and parts of Harlem, with some other great rows in Chelsea, the Village, and of course the outer boroughs, especially "Brownstone Brooklyn". It's #2 overall, since many rowhouses in Manhattan (especially Midtown) were bulldozed to make way for high-rises and skyscrapers. It also has many instances of the "big brother" of the rowhouse: The 5-6 story tenement house, which are quite a bit more gritty.

Boston wins on quality, even if its last on quantity like others have mentioned.
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Old 10-29-2019, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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If I can tell the styles apart....

You did see where I revised my remarks after another poster put up a street view of a row of Baltimore bowfronts?

I guess I have a stricter definition of "looks like". I'm going for verisimilitude, not approximations.

Philadelphia's elegant rowhouse blocks are less uniform than they are in any of the other three cities. Here, for instance, is the 2000 block of Spruce Street in Rittenhouse Square:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/20...!4d-75.1744883
Lots of us here on City-data can tell the difference. But cmon-for 99% of people-its the same, t least enough for us to say many NYC and Boston rowhomes look 'similar'. We can be a little practical about this.

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Old 10-29-2019, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Ok, I can see it. I really should get over to Brooklyn, sometime; That area looks really nice.

These rows on Columbus do look a bit more like your NYC example, imo.

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3425...7i16384!8i8192



Yeah, another poster already shared some streetview links that show Baltimore bowfronts in post #50 on this thread.

Though, I think KodeBlue’s example is even more similar to rows in Boston than any of the three examples from post 50.
So much of Brooklyn is gorgeous. I think its weird we dont talk about the beauty of Brooklyn more on this forum. I think its the most aestheticsally and architecturally pleasing borough in NYC.
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Old 10-29-2019, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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So much of Brooklyn is gorgeous. I think its weird we dont talk about the beauty of Brooklyn more on this forum. I think its the most aestheticsally and architecturally pleasing borough in NYC.
As well as the source of most of the New Yorkers who have decided to make Philadelphia their home over the last two decades.

I agree with your assessment of Brooklyn aesthetically, especially Brooklyn Heights and Park Slope. But in terms of level and type of amenities, type of housing, and neighboorhood character, it's also more like Philadelphia than any other NYC borough, with the added incentive to move being the significantly lower cost of housing in Philly than in NYC.

The Philadelphia Inquirer recently ran an article that cited a (I think) Pew Philadelphia Research Initiative study that examined migration betweten New York and Philadelphia, broken down by New York City borough.

Overall, the migration patterns have been net toward Philadelphia overall for the last two decades, but the bulk of the migration towards Philadelphia comes from Brooklyn, then Queens, then the Bronx. There's little migration in either direction to and from Staten Island, and the flow with Manhattan is net towards Manhattan. This IMO makes sense: the one part of New York City that Philadelphia really can't match to a large extent is Manhattan, and if a Manhattanite can afford to live there, there's no incentive to move to a place that offers less.

Otherwise, one can find most of what one likes about living in the other NYC boroughs somewhere in Philadelphia, and for less money.
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Old 10-29-2019, 09:04 AM
 
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You guys are making a lot of judgments about NYC rowhomes. I mean it's fine if you think Boston's are better, but let's not forget the massive footprint that NYC covers. Much of that is footprint is filled with various rowhomes/brownstones/graystones. Also, while making this post, I'm changing my answer from Philly/Baltimore to NYC. I forgot just how much the Boroughs contribute to rowhome living and unique styles.

Sunset Park has some really beautiful architecture IMO. My first time there I was very nicely surprised at the beauty (and the quality of the Mexican food). Some are rounded, some are not, but all are stunning. These are just a select few random blocks I hopped onto on Street View. Based on statistics, since these were all blocks chosen at random, Sunset Park is likely entirely filled with this style, along with a smattering of other NYC styles. But this seems to be the majority.
https://goo.gl/maps/32hkoqBxqtCdciuS9
https://goo.gl/maps/cLPW4YHXr27v9F196
https://goo.gl/maps/znvLNygtuoTtcqgo8
https://goo.gl/maps/kJkp7fu6xWTpbETw7

This is in Bay Ridge. See above for the prevalence of this style. Bay Ridge has a big area of more suburban style, but this is very common as well.
https://goo.gl/maps/XdXyKYZEXuUSPw8FA
https://goo.gl/maps/nvMoj5XDsBnUBjvr7
https://goo.gl/maps/taPCCFypzUdpEA1a8
https://goo.gl/maps/sU4NaoyHNx2nNnat9

Flatbush has them as well.
https://goo.gl/maps/mY2veaibu3sv64W47
https://goo.gl/maps/ri7BgrRUVi9FPNkcA

Crown Heights. Mind you, these are random finds from Street View. In a single neighborhood. In a single borough.
https://goo.gl/maps/Dtn2T39SLu2W1v4f6
Here's the turret style of DC others questioned as being only in DC, located right in Crown Heights
https://goo.gl/maps/juTg1hs7E8CxbfMV9
No idea what these are. Just jumped to a random Street View in Crown Heights. But they're my new absolute favorite!!!
https://goo.gl/maps/6MVQgBeHfuZi9cGv8
Further down the same block, I also love these.
https://goo.gl/maps/jJWYqZEHy5ev1zKi8
One block the other way.
https://goo.gl/maps/Nm2WfiqfLeRWKxcz7

These not pretty, but they're rounded.
https://goo.gl/maps/FWW8W9kevvr1axFo8

Bed Stuy is full of brownstones, though not much variety AFAIK. But still, a very large neighborhood covered in brownstones/rowhomes.
https://goo.gl/maps/YvKfnNUPr5BJAKu4A

Bushwick
https://goo.gl/maps/MrjqDWRMF1Lm2i4W9

Park Slope
https://goo.gl/maps/Lzexi5R5pcC9STkH8

Ridgewood (Queens)
https://goo.gl/maps/KeYHFbvn83bxKTHw5
https://goo.gl/maps/ZM1t9KQuCVi8QVXq7
https://goo.gl/maps/ykMC4WvJN6pefNS49
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Old 10-29-2019, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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You guys are making a lot of judgments about NYC rowhomes. I mean it's fine if you think Boston's are better, but let's not forget the massive footprint that NYC covers. Much of that is footprint is filled with various rowhomes/brownstones/graystones. Also, while making this post, I'm changing my answer from Philly/Baltimore to NYC. I forgot just how much the Boroughs contribute to rowhome living and unique styles.

Sunset Park has some really beautiful architecture IMO. My first time there I was very nicely surprised at the beauty (and the quality of the Mexican food). Some are rounded, some are not, but all are stunning. These are just a select few random blocks I hopped onto on Street View. Based on statistics, since these were all blocks chosen at random, Sunset Park is likely entirely filled with this style, along with a smattering of other NYC styles. But this seems to be the majority.
https://goo.gl/maps/32hkoqBxqtCdciuS9
https://goo.gl/maps/cLPW4YHXr27v9F196
https://goo.gl/maps/znvLNygtuoTtcqgo8
https://goo.gl/maps/kJkp7fu6xWTpbETw7

This is in Bay Ridge. See above for the prevalence of this style. Bay Ridge has a big area of more suburban style, but this is very common as well.
https://goo.gl/maps/XdXyKYZEXuUSPw8FA
https://goo.gl/maps/nvMoj5XDsBnUBjvr7
https://goo.gl/maps/taPCCFypzUdpEA1a8
https://goo.gl/maps/sU4NaoyHNx2nNnat9

Flatbush has them as well.
https://goo.gl/maps/mY2veaibu3sv64W47
https://goo.gl/maps/ri7BgrRUVi9FPNkcA

Crown Heights. Mind you, these are random finds from Street View. In a single neighborhood. In a single borough.
https://goo.gl/maps/Dtn2T39SLu2W1v4f6
Here's the turret style of DC others questioned as being only in DC, located right in Crown Heights
https://goo.gl/maps/juTg1hs7E8CxbfMV9
No idea what these are. Just jumped to a random Street View in Crown Heights. But they're my new absolute favorite!!!
https://goo.gl/maps/6MVQgBeHfuZi9cGv8
Further down the same block, I also love these.
https://goo.gl/maps/jJWYqZEHy5ev1zKi8
One block the other way.
https://goo.gl/maps/Nm2WfiqfLeRWKxcz7

These not pretty, but they're rounded.
https://goo.gl/maps/FWW8W9kevvr1axFo8

Bed Stuy is full of brownstones, though not much variety AFAIK. But still, a very large neighborhood covered in brownstones/rowhomes.
https://goo.gl/maps/YvKfnNUPr5BJAKu4A

Bushwick
https://goo.gl/maps/MrjqDWRMF1Lm2i4W9

Park Slope
https://goo.gl/maps/Lzexi5R5pcC9STkH8

Ridgewood (Queens)
https://goo.gl/maps/KeYHFbvn83bxKTHw5
https://goo.gl/maps/ZM1t9KQuCVi8QVXq7
https://goo.gl/maps/ykMC4WvJN6pefNS49
Big takeaway from this is NYC has a ton of bowfronts and its not even remotely unique to Boston considering Baltimore has them as well.
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Old 10-29-2019, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Cleveland and Columbus OH
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Lots of us here on City-data can tell the difference. But cmon-for 99% of people-its the same, t least enough for us to say many NYC and Boston rowhomes look 'similar'. We can be a little practical about this.
Thank you.


Literally I stayed with my gf on that street in Brooklyn last fall and she said it felt like the south end.



No she didnt remark on the verisimilitude or bow fronts. Guess she is an idiot right? Who could be so dense?
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Old 10-29-2019, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Medfid
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Originally Posted by jessemh431 View Post
You guys are making a lot of judgments about NYC rowhomes. I mean it's fine if you think Boston's are better, but let's not forget the massive footprint that NYC covers. Much of that is footprint is filled with various rowhomes/brownstones/graystones. Also, while making this post, I'm changing my answer from Philly/Baltimore to NYC. I forgot just how much the Boroughs contribute to rowhome living and unique styles.

Sunset Park has some really beautiful architecture IMO. My first time there I was very nicely surprised at the beauty (and the quality of the Mexican food). Some are rounded, some are not, but all are stunning. These are just a select few random blocks I hopped onto on Street View. Based on statistics, since these were all blocks chosen at random, Sunset Park is likely entirely filled with this style, along with a smattering of other NYC styles. But this seems to be the majority.
https://goo.gl/maps/32hkoqBxqtCdciuS9
https://goo.gl/maps/cLPW4YHXr27v9F196
https://goo.gl/maps/znvLNygtuoTtcqgo8
Now these definitely look like Boston (minus the red brick and black shutters, I guess).

A lot of those links show fences in front of and around NYC’s row houses. Do you see that in Baltimore, Philly, or DC? I don’t think you’d see that in Boston.
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