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Old 12-18-2019, 09:10 PM
 
Location: Edmonds, WA
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Indeed.

Here are the side by side numbers of Mexican growth foreign born vs. domestic born:

Domestic born Mexican Growth:
Riverside: 189,014
Houston: 172,088
Dallas/Fort Worth: 168,878
Phoenix: 126,165
San Antonio: 119,894
Chicago: 68,012
San Diego: 67,277
Austin: 60,765
Las Vegas: 59,716
Sacramento: 35,550
Seattle/Tacoma: 30,733
Oklahoma City: 21,563
San Francisco: 18,724
Tampa: 16,909
Denver: 15,828
Los Angeles: 15,340
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 14,612
Atlanta: 14,079
Minneapolis/St. Paul: 14,077
Detroit: 13,971
Baltimore: 9,101
Boston: 5,658
Philadelphia: 5,508
New York: 5,069
Washington DC: 2,797
San Jose: -17,462

Foreign Born Mexican Growth:
Riverside: 20,344
Detroit: 13,414
Phoenix: 12,552
Las Vegas: 7,912
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 3,648
Boston: 1,538
McAllen: 890
Seattle/Tacoma: 455
Philadelphia: -1,904
Austin: -2,180
Orlando: -6,833
Denver: -6,836
San Antonio: -6,931
Dallas/Fort Worth: -8,982
Washington DC: -11,836
San Jose: -20,583
Houston: -22,251
Atlanta: -28,952
New York: -29,252
San Francisco: -33,271
Chicago: -51,200
Los Angeles: -132,900

In the case of Chicago, its Hispanic growth is domestic born as opposed to foreign born. I theorize that a big reason is that Chicago's Hispanic growth is almost entirely Mexican. Mexicans are the only foreign Hispanic group that exist in Chicago in large number (Puerto Ricans are not foreign born so I dont count them here). Per the numbers there is a huge nationwide decline of numbers of foreign born Mexicans. Thats due to a economic stabilization and improvements in safety in Mexico. However, foreign born Central American growth is at an all time high. But Chicago has a very small Central American community and isnt part of that. Places like Houston, Washington DC, Florida, and NYC are the main beneficiaries. Even LA isnt getting what it used to out of that.
Interesting. Would you say the same about Los Angeles? For this demographic group, it had lower domestic growth than Chicago and higher foreign loss (the former and latter more and less pronounced, respectively, in LA due to metro area size differences).
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Old 12-19-2019, 03:56 AM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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Brazil is not a post racial society either. It seems like there's a correlation between race and wealth + political alignment.
A saying I once heard about Brazil was, "In Brazil, it doesn't matter what color you are, anyone can be white."

That apparent oxymoronic statement captures both the more mixed nature of the country and the presence of a "racial" hierarchy all the same. (It also affirms the sociologists' and anthropologists' contention that race is a social construct, not a biological fact.)

Yet Brazil also had race-based slavery - ended without bloodshed by royal decree in 1888 - and it has its own "Deep South": northeastern Brazil, in particular the state of Bahia, where Afro-Brazilians dominate.

And Brazil also has race-based affirmative action for things like university admissions on a scale American conservatives would find extremely discomfiting.
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Old 12-19-2019, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Medfid
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Here you go. These numbers are foreign born population only. They dont include those born in the US:

Houston's Caribbean population as of 2018: 55,396
Cuba: 27,217
Jamaica: 7,618
Trinidad and Tobago: 7,078
Dominican Republic: 4,799
Haiti: 3,862

None of the others had more than 1,000

Houston's Caribbean population in 2013: 34,092
Cuba: 17,185
Trinidad and Tobago: 6,129
Jamaica: 4,396
Haiti: 1,710
Dominican Republic: 1,194
OP, is there any way you could do a multi-city breakdown for Caribbean immigration the way you’ve done for Asia, Africa, and Latin America? No worries if you can’t. You’ve already provided a lot of great data. Thanks!
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Old 12-19-2019, 10:53 AM
 
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A saying I once heard about Brazil was, "In Brazil, it doesn't matter what color you are, anyone can be white."

That apparent oxymoronic statement captures both the more mixed nature of the country and the presence of a "racial" hierarchy all the same. (It also affirms the sociologists' and anthropologists' contention that race is a social construct, not a biological fact.)

Yet Brazil also had race-based slavery - ended without bloodshed by royal decree in 1888 - and it has its own "Deep South": northeastern Brazil, in particular the state of Bahia, where Afro-Brazilians dominate.

And Brazil also has race-based affirmative action for things like university admissions on a scale American conservatives would find extremely discomfiting.
Yeah, hence you have people like Neymar go from "Pardo" to "White" overnight. The amount of skin lightening products in Latin America, especially among the darker-skinned elite, to appear "white" is still a vestige of the colorism of pre-19th century Latin America. However, Latin America long before the US has had more intermixing within the same socio-economic class, and like here, it all starts from the lower classes moving upwards.

The same to an extent is happening in the US, but the idea of race still permeates through everything here that I still think it would take a few generations for a Brazil like scenario to come here. There's still a disconnect between poor whites and poor blacks, for example, that hasn't existed in Brazil or the rest of LatAm in quite some time.

However, I grew up middle class and I venture a lot of people here did too. There's a lot of social barriers being broken at that level, at least in my observation.
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Old 12-19-2019, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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OP, is there any way you could do a multi-city breakdown for Caribbean immigration the way you’ve done for Asia, Africa, and Latin America? No worries if you can’t. You’ve already provided a lot of great data. Thanks!
I'd definitely like to see the Caribbean
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Old 12-19-2019, 11:11 AM
 
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Yeah, hence you have people like Neymar go from "Pardo" to "White" overnight. The amount of skin lightening products in Latin America, especially among the darker-skinned elite, to appear "white" is still a vestige of the colorism of pre-19th century Latin America. However, Latin America long before the US has had more intermixing within the same socio-economic class, and like here, it all starts from the lower classes moving upwards.

The same to an extent is happening in the US, but the idea of race still permeates through everything here that I still think it would take a few generations for a Brazil like scenario to come here. There's still a disconnect between poor whites and poor blacks, for example, that hasn't existed in Brazil or the rest of LatAm in quite some time.

However, I grew up middle class and I venture a lot of people here did too. There's a lot of social barriers being broken at that level, at least in my observation.
A lot of this has to do with pairing choices/opportunities as well. Meaning, where Europeans going to much of what is now North America came as families, in many cases, in Latin America, the Spanish and Portuguese came as primarily as single males. This is why later in a country like Brazil, you see immigration coming from Southern(Italy and Portugal) and Eastern Europe(Poland, etc.), as well even from Germany, to "whiten" the country, in a sense. Brazil also has a substantial Japanese population as well.
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Old 12-19-2019, 11:52 AM
 
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Here are the five largest groups of foreign born growth from 2013-2018 by metro area. Im not going to list any under 5,000 in growth however. I did all from 45,000 up plus Austin:

New York:
Dominican Republic: 71,279
China: 42,121
India: 32,000
Bangladesh: 24,865
Nigeria: 15,422

Los Angeles:
China: 60,733
El Salvador: 32,860
India: 18,440
Armenia: 10,763
Philippines: 9,670

Miami/Fort Lauderdale:
Cuba: 74,019
Venezuela: 60,949
Haiti: 34,379
Colombia: 26,643
Brazil: 21,768

Chicago:
India: 35,010
Vietnam: 6,612
China: 6,515
Nigeria: 5,638
Pakistan: 5,610

Houston:
Honduras: 31,234
India: 26,408
Nigeria: 21,951
China: 18,665
El Salvador: 18,594

Dallas/Fort Worth:
India: 53,552
El Salvador: 15,876
Venezuela: 15,085
Honduras: 9,612
Cuba: 8,800

San Francisco:
India: 51,584
China: 25,311
Taiwan: 8,411
Hong Kong: 7,363
Guatemala: 7,344

Washington DC:
India: 28,945
Ethiopia: 17,907
El Salvador: 16,741
Honduras: 11,203
Nigeria: 8,414

Riverside:
Mexico: 20,344
China: 16,197
Philippines: 11,848
El Salvador: 6,468

Boston:
China: 25,986
India: 20,945
Haiti: 13,963
Dominican Republic: 11,028
Brazil: 10,462

Seattle/Tacoma:
India: 29,927
China: 25,017
Vietnam: 10,994
Taiwan: 5.157

Orlando:
Venezuela: 32,294
Cuba: 13,556
Haiti: 9,895
Brazil: 9,497
Colombia: 8,710

Atlanta:
India: 24,325
Jamaica: 12,152
Nigeria: 10,871
Guatemala: 10,177
Ghana: 8,081

Philadelphia:
India: 20,862
Dominican Republic: 13,324
China: 7,893
Brazil: 5,386
Nigeria: 5,003

Tampa:
Cuba: 35,405
India: 6,936
Venezuela: 5,990
Jamaica: 5,447

Phoenix:
Mexico: 12,256
India: 11,395
China: 5,404
Philippines: 5,130

Minneapolis/St. Paul:
Somalia: 13,165
Ethiopia: 9,547
Kenya: 7,925
India: 6,711

Detroit:
Mexico: 13,050
India: 12,549
Yemen: 9,542
Iraq: 5,045
Bangladesh: 5,109

Las Vegas:
Philippines: 15,559
Mexico: 7,939
Ethiopia: 5,294
China: 5,094

San Jose:
China: 29,871
India: 26,688
Taiwan: 8,795

Sacramento:
China: 12,554
India: 10,713

Austin:
India: 19,698
Which metros have seen the most dramatic change in the composition of new immigrants?
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Old 12-20-2019, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Europe
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You know the old saying about statistics: “There are three types of lies -- lies, damn lies, and statistics.”

After a while, the only reason why we're all debating still is because we're bored. It changes nothing in real life. Hopefully we'll all get a new prism through how we look at things, but lets be real...we won't
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Old 12-20-2019, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Which metros have seen the most dramatic change in the composition of new immigrants?
Thats a good question. I would say that all of them are following a similar trajectory that they have been for a few years. A few things leaped out at me:

-DFW's Indian growth. Theyve been on the map for India for about 10-15 years but things have really cranked up for them in the last 5.
-The overall loss of international immigrants from LA and Chicago. A big part of this is because Mexican immigration is basically at a standstill since things have improved there. Its not just these two as Mexican immigrant numbers are down in almost every metro area in the US. However, immigrants from other countries are not coming in fast enough to replace those lost in these two. LA is still holding pretty firm. Outside of India, Chicago is miles away from where it used to be.
-Venezuelan immigration has really cranked up in the last five years. Miami, Orlando, Houston, and DFW all more than doubled the number of Venezuelan immigrants in their metro areas in the last five years alone.
-Immigrants seem to favor several factors in the last 5 years: affordability, good economy, warm/moderate weather, and established communities. Florida and Texas are the shining stars over the last five years based on immigrant growth.
-Hispanic immigrant decline in the Bay Area. Other than Guatemala, Hispanic decline in the Bay Area is in full swing. It probably has a lot to do with the cost of living and that most good jobs require a college degree there. The need for manual labor based jobs is low in comparison. What were seeing in the Bay is massive growth from India and East Asia to compensate.
-Houston received the largest number of Central American immigrants of all metro area. The biggest reason is that it, by far, is the preferred destinations for Hondurans in the US and still maintains high numbers from El Salvador and Guatemala. Houston is also the number one spot for Nigerian immigration.
-New York's Puerto Rican numbers are way down. While not foreign born, I did notice this as I was going through numbers. The biggest destination for NYC's Puerto Ricans appears to be Orlando. That said, NYC is still by far and away the preferred spot for Dominican immigration. NYC still maintains high numbers from China and India.
-On a per capita basis, Orlando was extremely notable. Its becoming the the number three spot for South Americans after Miami and NYC. Given that its much smaller than either, it probably stands out the most.
-In the upper Midwest, Minneapolis' top three groups are all from East Africa and Detroit still maintains the highest number of Middle Eastern immigrants in growth.

Thats what stood out the most to me.
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Old 01-25-2020, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Full credit to FairladyZ who did this leg work. Here are the number that obtained permanent residence by metro area. Its important to remember these numbers are NOT new arrivals. They are people who have been here for many years that obtained green cards:

Total
New York City: 168,931
Miami: 80,341
Los Angeles: 74,032
Washington, DC: 37,796
Houston: 36,263
Chicago: 35,045
San Francisco-Oakland: 31,918
Dallas-Ft. Worth: 28,915
Boston: 26,411
Atlanta: 21,334
San Jose: 19,906
Seattle: 19,553
San Diego: 19,381
Philadelphia: 17,705
Riverside: 15,000
Tampa-Saint Petersburg: 14,399
Minneapolis-Saint Paul: 12,859
Orlando: 12,730
Phoenix: 12,707
Detroit: 12,454
Sacramento: 11,646
Austin: 9,366
Denver: 9,285
Las Vegas: 9,181
Portland: 8,299

Africa
New York City: 11,857
Washington, DC: 9,214
Minneapolis-Saint Paul: 5,711
Dallas-Fort Worth: 4,614
Atlanta: 4,519
Boston: 3,987
Columbus, OH: 3,321
Houston: 3,301
Philadelphia: 2,905
Seattle: 2,866
Chicago: 2,615
Los Angeles: 2,345
Baltimore: 2,078
Denver: 1,663
Nashville: 1,657
Phoenix: 1,637
San Francisco-Oakland: 1,439
Indianapolis: 1,237
Louisville: 1,223
Providence: 1,160
San Diego: 1,117
Kansas City: 1,111
Cincinnati: 972
Charlotte: 876
Raleigh: 824

Asia
New York City: 58,943
Los Angeles: 37,775
San Francisco-Oakland: 18,144
Washington, DC: 14,660
Chicago: 13,810
San Jose: 13,430
Houston: 12,634
Dallas-Fort Worth: 11,311
Seattle: 10,531
San Diego: 8,685
Atlanta: 8,335
Detroit: 8,184
Boston: 7,802
Philadelphia: 7,790
Sacramento: 7,243
Riverside: 5,042
Phoenix: 4,267
Miami: 4,082
Baltimore: 4,002
Minneapolis-Saint Paul: 3,919
Honolulu: 3,703
Portland: 3,493
Denver: 3,186
Austin: 3,143
Las Vegas: 3,050

Europe
New York City: 14,690
Chicago: 6,178
Los Angeles: 3,994
San Francisco-Oakland: 3,142
Miami: 3,069
Seattle: 2,985
Boston: 2,605
San Jose: 2,258
Washington, DC: 2,191
Philadelphia: 1,946
Sacramento: 1,733
Detroit: 1,609
Houston: 1,403
Portland: 1,340
San Diego: 1,249
Atlanta 1,102
Tampa-Saint Petersburg: 1,077
Dallas-Fort Worth: 889
Orlando: 755
Minneapolis-Saint Paul: 751
Denver: 711
Cleveland: 679
Charlotte: 579
Bridgeport, CT: 574
Austin: 561

North America
New York City: 61,735
Miami: 58,934
Los Angeles: 27,279
Houston: 16,611
Dallas-Fort Worth: 11,008
Chicago: 10,797
Boston: 9,277
Tampa-Saint Petersburg: 8,609
Washington, DC: 8,523
Riverside: 8,509
San Francisco-Oakland: 7,663
San Diego: 7,638
Orlando: 5,952
Phoenix-Mesa-Chandler, AZ: 5,883
Atlanta: 5,645
Austin: 4,517
Las Vegas: 4,498
San Antonio: 4,256
Philadelphia: 4,248
El Paso: 3,928
Denver: 3,211
San Jose: 3,074
McAllen, TX: 3,007
Louisville: 2,744
Charlotte: 2,647

Oceania
New York City: 504
Los Angeles: 459
San Francisco-Oakland: 356
Seattle: 275
Sacramento: 224
San Jose: 142
Portland: 118
Washington, DC: 103
San Diego: 101
Chicago: 94
Boston: 82
Houston: 79
Honolulu: 78
Denver: 76
Dallas-Fort Worth: 68
Riverside: 66
Detroit: 64
Phoenix: 57
Salt Lake City: 53
Atlanta: 49
Philadelphia: 48
Minneapolis-Saint Paul: 41
Orlando: 40
Nashville: 37
Miami: 36

South America
New York City: 21,056
Miami: 13,524
Orlando: 3,089
Washington, DC: 3,083
Boston: 2,643
Houston: 2,221
Los Angeles: 2,137
Atlanta: 1,673
Tampa-Saint Petersburg: 1,670
Chicago: 1,412
San Francisco-Oakland: 1,145
Bridgeport, CT: 1,041
Dallas-Fort Worth: 1,005
Philadelphia: 739
Charlotte: 629
Minneapolis-Saint Paul: 614
San Diego: 585
Seattle: 535
Providence: 495
Worcester, MA: 451
San Jose: 448
Riverside: 438
Austin: 431
Denver: 426
Detroit: 412
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