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There about even in high rises, Towson's are just less clustered. That being said it currently has more cranes in it's downtown than downtown Baltimore does and has 3x the population, with access to a city twice as large as St. Louis
What holds Towson back is unlike Silver Spring/Bethesda/Tysons with DC, theres no rail network that links Towson with Baltimore which is why it's growth is so relatively slow.
there is light rail in towson. The problem is Baltimore is not DC
there is light rail in towson. The problem is Baltimore is not DC
The closest light rail stops are Falls Rd & Lutherville, neither are even remotely close to downtown Towson.
I'd put paychecks if Baltimore had pre-exsiting subway lines to Towson or Columbia would look very different, irregardless of DC's relatively recent boom. Silver Spring/Bethesda/Tysons are through and through TOD's
There about even in high rises, Towson's are just less clustered. That being said it currently has more cranes in it's downtown than downtown Baltimore does and has 3x the population, with access to a city twice as large as St. Louis
What holds Towson back is unlike Silver Spring/Bethesda/Tysons with DC, theres no rail network that links Towson with Baltimore which is why it's growth is so relatively slow.
St. Louis and Baltimore are equal sized MSAs, and St. Louis is technically bigger when you consider that much of the growth in metro "Baltimore" is in Anne Arundel and Howard Counties near the DC MSA. If St. Louis was 40 miles from the nation's capital, it would be much bigger than Baltimore.
Also, trains are nice, but Tyson's and Reston had plenty of towers before Metro arrived.
I voted for Clayton. I actually prefer the nearby Delmar Loop on the St. Louis/U Village border, but both that neighborhood and Clayton benefit from having Wash U so close. Towson University is more of a commuter school, not a national research university, and Johns Hopkins is much further away from Towson than Wash U is from Clayton.
St. Louis and Baltimore are equal sized MSAs, and St. Louis is technically bigger when you consider that much of the growth in metro "Baltimore" is in Anne Arundel and Howard Counties near the DC MSA.
St. Louis's MSA is only "equal" to Baltimore because it's the only major city in a 250 mile radius, not because it's economically "special"
You can downplay Baltimore or boost DC as much as you want. Both cities will continue to feed off each other whether it be in a mutually beneficial or harmfully parasitic ways for the foreseeable future. They have been for the last +200 years.
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If St. Louis was 40 miles from the nation's capital, it would be much bigger than Baltimore.
I'm more than willing to listen to your reasoning behind your claim
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I voted for Clayton. I actually prefer the nearby Delmar Loop on the St. Louis/U Village border, but both that neighborhood and Clayton benefit from having Wash U so close. Towson University is more of a commuter school, not a national research university, and Johns Hopkins is much further away from Towson than Wash U is from Clayton.
I agree on this regarding their respective schooling
The closest light rail stops are Falls Rd & Lutherville, neither are even remotely close to downtown Towson.
I'd put paychecks if Baltimore had pre-exsiting subway lines to Towson or Columbia would look very different, irregardless of DC's relatively recent boom. Silver Spring/Bethesda/Tysons are through and through TOD's
Owings Mills is having its own TOD boom. Towson is building up quite nicely as well with about 4 or 5 cranes currently up throughout Towson's CBD.
St. Louis and Baltimore are equal sized MSAs, and St. Louis is technically bigger when you consider that much of the growth in metro "Baltimore" is in Anne Arundel and Howard Counties near the DC MSA. If St. Louis was 40 miles from the nation's capital, it would be much bigger than Baltimore.
Also, trains are nice, but Tyson's and Reston had plenty of towers before Metro arrived.
I voted for Clayton. I actually prefer the nearby Delmar Loop on the St. Louis/U Village border, but both that neighborhood and Clayton benefit from having Wash U so close. Towson University is more of a commuter school, not a national research university, and Johns Hopkins is much further away from Towson than Wash U is from Clayton.
And yet Howard County is the fastest growing County in the state. You'd assume that the fast growing counties would be in the metro from which you're insinuating the source of the growth is coming from. The Majority of the people in Howard county live in Columbia and Ellicott City.
St. Louis's MSA is only "equal" to Baltimore because it's the only major city in a 250 mile radius, not because it's economically "special"
Within approximately 250 miles of St. Louis you have Kansas City, Indianapolis, and Louisville. Bump that up to about 300 miles and you have Chicago, Nashville, and Memphis added to the list.
As for its location, it was special. St. Louis boomed due to its presence as a river city, and then it continued to boom after it embraced rail as well, albeit too late to stay above Chicago. It's still one of the largest inland ports in the country. Has St. Louis' economy since diversified? Sure, but move St. Louis off the Mississippi and you don't get the St. Louis of today.
Within approximately 250 miles of St. Louis you have Kansas City, Indianapolis, and Louisville. Bump that up to about 300 miles and you have Chicago, Nashville, and Memphis added to the list.
You can fit DC, Baltimore, Philly & NYC inside that 250 mile gap.
If you bump it out to 300 miles, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Raliegh-Durham enter the equation as well
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As for its location, it was special. St. Louis boomed due to its presence as a river city, and then it continued to boom after it embraced rail as well, albeit too late to stay above Chicago. It's still one of the largest inland ports in the country. Has St. Louis' economy since diversified? Sure, but move St. Louis off the Mississippi and you don't get the St. Louis of today.
Let me rephrase... it's location was (and to a degree still is) special, it's economy however was no more specialized than Baltimores and to your point Chicago & the rail boom was very much St. Louis's undoing not something intrinsically wrong with the city itself.
And that still puts it at a slower pace of growth than DC, Arlington County, Alexandria, Loudoun County, Prince William County, and Stafford County.
That still doesn't answer the question of why it's growing faster than other MD counties
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Metro DC added over 600,000 people in the 2010s, Metro Balt, including Howard County, less than 100,000.
VA doesn't have a principle city (no Richmond & Norfolk don't count) which is why DC's population can and has ballooned in the first place, Baltimore dose not have that same geo-economic luxury.
Still we are comparing a 3 million vs. a 6 million metro, neither of which has peaked.
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