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Old 01-15-2020, 04:12 AM
 
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Cities in the US don't reduce crime by attacking the root problems of the crime (poverty, lack of opportunity etc.. etc..). They do so by pricing the people who commit them.. out
It is not working in DC obviously...
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Old 01-15-2020, 04:20 AM
 
Location: Odenton, MD
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It is not working in DC obviously...
3 decades ago.... DC's murder rate was 80.6 per 100k, last year it was ~22 per 100k

If you don't think DC's gentrification had anything to do with that reduction... I don't know what to tell you. I never said it was a permanent fix, it just a band-aide the underlying problem and just moves the crime to a different areas of the city (in DC's case.. east of the Anacostia river)
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Old 01-15-2020, 04:21 AM
 
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I would imagine that the widespread and intensive gentrification in both cities is largely the reason. And I would expect that the crime as simply shifted into surrounding areas.
Actually not...
If you look at expensive gentrified cities, DC comes right up but has a very high homicide rate.

And as for crime being pushed out to surrounding area... New York metro minus Newark (which has a decreasing crime rate as well) is safe, no crime unstick over there.

L.A county homicide is also declining.

BUT.... Gentrification did in fact reduce crime in Oakland.

In NYC is mostly the no tolerance policy and the cracking down on guns
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Old 01-15-2020, 04:24 AM
 
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3 decades ago.... DC's murder rate was 80.6 per 100k.

If you don't think DC's gentrification had anything to do with that reduction... I don't know what to tell you. I never said it was a permanent fix, it's just a band-aide that at best just moves the crime to a different area of the city (in DC's case.. east of the Anacostia river)
3 decades ago the whole US was way more violent, NYC was like what 2000 murders per year. This reduction is more of a national trend than gentrification because in recent year, DC actually saw an increase in homicides... a while back it only had 82...

I know west DC is pretty much homicide free and almost all victims had a personal beef with their killers and most are in the SE - NE
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Old 01-15-2020, 04:33 AM
 
Location: Odenton, MD
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Actually not...
If you look at expensive gentrified cities, DC comes right up but has a very high homicide rate.
Only DC west of the Anacostia River is gentrified, hence why that swath of city sees almost zero murders.

Almost everything SE of the river is a DC's version of Baltimore's westside. The media just likes to pretend that part of the city doesn't exist.
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Old 01-15-2020, 05:14 AM
 
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Only DC west of the Anacostia River is gentrified, hence why that swath of city sees almost zero murders.

Almost everything SE of the river is a DC's version of Baltimore's westside. The media just likes to pretend that part of the city doesn't exist.
This is why I mentioned that SE and NE were like no mans land... But part of SE are relatively safe, near Union station but the further east you go, the more bodies you will encounter
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Old 01-15-2020, 05:29 AM
 
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
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I was using the numbers from the Tribune. In any case, it's running a bit higher than last year.
The newspapers in Chicago are always high because they report self defense homicides too. Last year,Chicago Tribune was 25 or 30 higher than the actual official number. Also, it's not "a bit" higher. Its 1 higher than last year. Philadelphia this year is a bit higher than last year, not Chicago.

Speaking of which, Philadelphia is now at 19
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Old 01-15-2020, 05:44 AM
 
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The newspapers in Chicago are always high because they report self defense homicides too. Last year,Chicago Tribune was 25 or 30 higher than the actual official number. Also, it's not "a bit" higher. Its 1 higher than last year. Philadelphia this year is a bit higher than last year, not Chicago.

Speaking of which, Philadelphia is now at 19

Jesus, more than actually days...
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Old 01-15-2020, 06:01 AM
 
Location: Odenton, MD
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This is why I mentioned that SE and NE were like no mans land... But part of SE are relatively safe, near Union station but the further east you go, the more bodies you will encounter
Agreed

That being said... this current cycle/wave of gentrification in DC was a knee-jerk reaction to the end of crack epidemic. The African American incarcerations skyrocketed or people were forced to move out to the cheaper/safer burbs at which point you had a city with the second best mass transit system, great location and is now essentially 1/4 unoccupied.

*Capitalism light bulb*

By 2000 the city bottomed out in population loss and then started gaining population (almost all of it being non-African American). DC went from being 70% African American in the late 80's early 90's to its current 47% while its white demographic jumped rose from 27% to 45% along with rapid influx of Asians... or in simple terms... money.

Great for the cities economy and image, horrible for the people most effected by the utter bull**** that was 80-90's
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Old 01-15-2020, 07:51 AM
 
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Holyoke, Mass is at 2 the city had violent weekend with 4 shootings
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