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Re: race of victims, one thing to remember is how many large African-American communities have seen significant declines. The Bronx is a higher percentage black than it was 30 years ago, but has a much lower homicide rate than it did then.
There are also plenty of places that have higher than average black populations with almost no homicides at all, like Alexandria, VA. And a black person today is far more likely to get killed in Baltimore than in South LA, so clearly other factors are a part of this.
Re: race of victims, one thing to remember is how many large African-American communities have seen significant declines. The Bronx is a higher percentage black than it was 30 years ago, but has a much lower homicide rate than it did then.
There are also plenty of places that have higher than average black populations with almost no homicides at all, like Alexandria, VA. And a black person today is far more likely to get killed in Baltimore than in South LA, so clearly other factors are a part of this.
NYC is an interesting case in that it's not really "African American" moreso than foreign blacks. Foreign blacks have a much lower homicide rate than African Americans do. Half of NYC's black population is foreign or children of foreigners. African Americans started leaving NYC 20-30 years ago.
Definitely have to keep that distinction in mind when comparing the black population of NYC to different cities.
NYC is an interesting case in that it's not really "African American" moreso than foreign blacks. Foreign blacks have a much lower homicide rate than African Americans do. Half of NYC's black population is foreign or children of foreigners. African Americans started leaving NYC 20-30 years ago.
Definitely have to keep that distinction in mind when comparing the black population of NYC to different cities.
But after just one generation, they become regular African Americans (if they hail from Africa) and unfortunately fall into the same circumstances.
Re: race of victims, one thing to remember is how many large African-American communities have seen significant declines. The Bronx is a higher percentage black than it was 30 years ago, but has a much lower homicide rate than it did then.
There are also plenty of places that have higher than average black populations with almost no homicides at all, like Alexandria, VA. And a black person today is far more likely to get killed in Baltimore than in South LA, so clearly other factors are a part of this.
Other factors that gave rise to today's black ghettos:
1. In the industrial midwest/great lakes region, the great black migration in the 1900s tightly coupled the African American populations of these cities to the manufacturing sector that has since declined (significantly). Remove the jobs, remove the safety nets, communities collapse.
2. Also in the 1900s, most of the black communities did not have easy paths to higher education, even in the industrialized areas. There was social pressure keeping them out of areas that provided easier steps to higher education. (Redlining, segregated schools, poor public housing.)
3. Government aid has also been a problem. Sometimes the medicine only treats a symptom. Examples: forced busing in Cleveland ended up exacerbating the problem it was trying to fix; Welfare allowed many to become dependent.
It is hard for me to see a solution to the black ghettos like E. Cleveland, E. St. Louis, areas of Detroit/Chicago, etc. Just like Johnson's war on poverty targeted Appalachia, it is easy to spend money, very hard to actually fix. On the positive side, low cost community colleges with aid have helped. Local jobs in healthcare, high end restaurants, and manufacturing have provided pathways and we should build on this success.
I think Ohio's Governor Rhodes said it best, back in the 70s, when touring E. Cleveland: "I don't see anything that 1000 jobs would not fix."
And yet we hear nothing from Trump about sending in the Feds. Why doesn't he blow up Baltimore's spot like he did with Chicago? I literally don't get it at all. Chicago's in the news all the time even though it's homicide rates barely 1/4 Baltimore's. Chicago's like a meme now bro I swear. At the current pace Baltimore will have more TOTAL homicides than Chicago in a couple years and I bet you they will still talk about Chicago and ignore Baltimore.
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