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I asked around on this issue a lot and my response to a few students from Brooklyn (Whom, were definitely the most open to talking outside their own race of all the five boroughs) and the answer was rather grim. The black communities are very much segregated off from other groups bar Hispanics on occasion. She continued and said it was because the inner city high schools were not good for the black community in really all the boroughs except Staten Island (of course), and you had to fend for your own and grew withthe community together. I know people on this forum will scream and shout and pout and say "But NYC is World Class #1, big city!! siZes!!" or whatever... but the reality is, there are HUGE racial tensions in New York City. Ive honestly never have seen a city that bad. Those from 'the city' as they call it in New York, don't talk outside their race. And when you boil down to Hispanics, the Dominicans dont cross to the Puerto Ricans and vise versa.
Living in NYC after a while in a middle class area near Long Island City (Not in LIC, NEAR), my community was splt 40% Hispanic, 25% White,15% black, 15% Asian... and those from the area really never crossed races. And this was only like 2 years ago. People on this forum, not in reality, just this forum, get very confused when I say NYC is not a good place to live in at all. And the racial status quo is one of the biggest reasons why I really don't appreciate New York. Florida it never happened, you talk to anyone.. probably the most racially open state Ive lived in. DC is great as well. Boston, not completely open, but you learn to get along with anyone. Upstate New York? No issue either. I heard it's only getting worse too since DeBlasio is making the specialized high school's easier to get into and it's causing racial tensions as it just screams quota now.
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I dont think he is trying to sell Boston. He is actually an African, Caribbean or Black American from Boston. So the insight is useful.
The only positives of the Black/African community on Boston, from outside Boston is either wow your city is clean, wow your city is pretty or wow the seafood is good. Thats literally it. Boston is still systematically a racist city and I dont think it should be a top 10 choice for any Black American, as there are better alternatives. Although, its improved Significantly since 2010. Outside of Haitians and Cape Verdeans, Boston doesn't hold the largest stronghold to any other group. Granted that is a lot when you think of it, the metro has about 500k Black/African Americans now. So its becoming more significant.
Still like 200-250k Black Americans and A bunch of 2nd generation assimilated Jamaicans Trinidadian and Bajans so comparable to a Seattle or Denver there. But yea pretty, seafood, some people have mentioned they like the beach and shopping too. Obviously a ton of people come for Carnival and love it but they’re pretty much all from NY/NJ/CT, not the south . But yea still systemically racist but making efforts to improve and stuff. I never ever would say top 10I said maybe you could put it in the top 20, only after someone not from Boston said so.
The only point I’m making is that there are a lot of good things going on up there, Black problem do make inroads progress and achieve great things in Paton despite systemic racism or the reputation of the city. There are plenty good role models to learn from Ivegiven examples of black mayors, governors, lawyers, doctors community activists, musicians, actors etc. Furthermore many black people do move there and stay that’s just a fact, the economy and education is just that good-period. Nothing like the south but it’s definitely more than NJ CT DE PA in terms of gaining black residents that’s just a hard fact over the past 15 or so years looking at the census estimates and figures.
I’m just providing some insight as Massachoicetts said. Everyone on here speaking bad of the city hasn’t spent any significant amount of time in the city and doesn’t even personally know anyone from there so of course I take it with all with grain of salt. If you were to come to Boston and stay for a few days like 2 times then I’d probably give way more credence to these anecdotes. But right now it’s just hearsay from one woman who lived there a decade a ago.
Again, if it were actually a bad place to live it wouldn’t be the only northeastern state gaining a significant share black residents. There are literally hundred of thousands of Black people who live in Greater Boston having lived there for 20+ years I can say most are content with where they are and many love it-I wouldn’t just be making that up out of thin air. It’s not 400k people and growing in the metro area just torturing themselves people. My dad moved to Boston. In 1977 after living in Philly Trenton and Atlanta and he never left now why smile that? I went to a play about Boston directed by a black man who move to Boston from DC in the 1980s-why did he stay? Why did he take the time to learn the history. My mentor as a teen was a reverend who’s been in Boston since forever-but he's originally from Philly. Ayanna Pressley and Deval Patrick originally from Chicago-but stayed here. Our iconic city councilor Chuck Turner-originally form Cincinnati-but moved here and stayed here till his death. Ask yourself those questions.
You can get all the same shows, concerts, music , tv etc you’d get in Philly or Baltimore. Again I’ve lived in both I know who live in Baltimore swear up and down all day they hate it here, theres nothing going on here, it’s crime ridden, it’s dirty and it’s horrible-these people really dump on their city they ask me why did I move here but I tell them the same in saying here-it’s not as bad as you think it is. I tell them to stay and invest in Baltimore but they all want to move to South Carolina North Carolina and Texas.
Those number are abysmal in comparison to the South and West Coast.Its no comparison so while it may be better for some blacks in the surrounding area,doesnt make it the best place either.
Home is always home for some people. Obviously by your name you love where you are from and I would never knock someones home but the reality is Boston is just NOT on the radar for many blacks and to be honest I dont think it ever will be. Especially when so many other places my metrics are better.Most of them happen to be in the South.
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Those number are abysmal in comparison to the South and West Coast.Its no comparison so while it may be better for some blacks in the surrounding area,doesnt make it the best place either.
Home is always home for some people. Obviously by your name you love where you are from and I would never knock someones home but the reality is Boston is just NOT on the radar for many blacks and to be honest I dont think it ever will be. Especially when so many other places my metrics are better.Most of them happen to be in the South.
<img src="https://i0.wp.com/www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/201910_Metro_AB_Black-incomes-Table.png?w=768&crop=0%2C0px%2C100%2C9999px&am p;ssl=1" alt="Metro areas Black household income increase"/>
For Boston:
Black Americans? No, Maybe not on the radar. Houston, Atlanta, Dallas probably top three
Caribbean Americans? Yes. Its the third most attractive city based on immigration statistics for Carribeans... including Jamaicans, Haitians and Trinidadians. New York, Miami and Boston are the top 3 for this group.
African born Immigration probably is New York, DC and maybe a tie between Chicago/Boston/Philadelphia
Theres a big difference. Way big difference between Caribbean sourced migration and Americans without caribbean heritage.
Black Americans? No, Maybe not on the radar. Houston, Atlanta, Dallas probably top three
Caribbean Americans? Yes. Its the third most attractive city based on immigration statistics for Carribeans... including Jamaicans, Haitians and Trinidadians. New York, Miami and Boston are the top 3 for this group.
African born Immigration probably is New York, DC and maybe a tie between Chicago/Boston/Philadelphia
Theres a big difference. Way big difference between Caribbean sourced migration and Americans without caribbean heritage.
Yes historically ,but thats not true what you are saying about the South nowadays.
The South is getting the majority share and they are moving from Northern States just like other blacks.
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African immigrants to the U.S. are more likely to settle in the South (39%) or the Northeast (25%), than in the Midwest (18%) or West (17%), while the largest numbers of African immigrants are found in Texas, New York, California, Maryland, New Jersey, Massachusetts and Virginia. Each of these states is home to at least 100,000 foreign-born Africans.
Its across the African diaspora.I met some Namibians recently.They are studying denistry in Cuba. They. sent there break in Atlanta and it was their first time in US.
Black Americans? No, Maybe not on the radar. Houston, Atlanta, Dallas probably top three
Caribbean Americans? Yes. Its the third most attractive city based on immigration statistics for Carribeans... including Jamaicans, Haitians and Trinidadians. New York, Miami and Boston are the top 3 for this group.
African born Immigration probably is New York, DC and maybe a tie between Chicago/Boston/Philadelphia
Theres a big difference. Way big difference between Caribbean sourced migration and Americans without caribbean heritage.
This is an old outdated model.Immigration patterns of immigrants show many are leaving their first "home" state for other states in the South like other blacks.
Atlanta has the 3rd largest perentage of African born residents
This is an old outdated model.Immigration patterns of immigrants show many are leaving their first "home" state for other states in the South like other blacks.
Atlanta has the 3rd largest perentage of African born residents
Very useful. I stand corrected on assuming it was just NY, DC and Chicago I think I said for top 3.
It’s really hard to choose outside of Atlanta, Houston, and DC.[/QUOTE
I don't believe it is. There are at least half a dozen other cities that have it going on currently. And at least in DC's case are easier to navigate and afford. Dallas/Ft Worth, Raleigh-Durham, Charlotte, Nashville, Chicago, Phoenix, Detroit for sure. I've even met some that skipped past Atlanta for instance on purpose because it was indeed black but also "pretentious and flashy" There are lots of choices depending on personal tastes.
Atlanta, Houston, and DC check most of the “black” boxes, especially Atlanta and DC.
This is from the census
Jamaica
1. New York: 261,767 people
2. Miami: 140,025
3. Atlanta: 34,537
4. Orlando: 26,711
5. Washington DC: 23,768
6. Philadelphia: 22,630
7. Hartford, CT: 15,730
8. Boston: 14,965
9. Baltimore: 9792
10. Tampa: 8861
Haiti
1. Miami: 219,033 people
2. New York: 177,656
3. Boston: 51,073
4. Orlando: 38,174
5. Philadelphia: 18,553
6. Atlanta: 13,960
7. Tampa: 10,107
8. Providence: 6701
9. Washington DC: 4491
10. Chicago: 3065
South Africa
1. New York: 8922 people
2. Los Angeles: 7733
3. Miami: 4735
4. Atlanta: 4671
5. San Francisco: 4101
6. Dallas: 3481
7. San Diego: 3053
8. Washington DC: 2988
9. Seattle: 2598
10. Houston: 2423
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