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even if Philadelphia lacks a craft brewer the size of Samuel Adams
It’s not even just Sam Adams. Before anything, add their subsidiaries: Truly, Angry Orchard, Dogfish Head, and Twisted Tea.
After those, add Harpoon, Night Shift, Lord Hobo, Mighty Squirrel, Cisco, Tree House, Jack’s Abby, Trillium, Downeast, Lamplighter, Castle Island, etc.
There are plenty of even more outstanding yet obscure breweries, cider houses, and meaderies scattered throughout the metro area and region.
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It’s not even just Sam Adams. Before anything, add their subsidiaries: Truly, Angry Orchard, Dogfish Head, and Twisted Tea.
After those, add Harpoon, Night Shift, Lord Hobo, Mighty Squirrel, Cisco, Tree House, Jack’s Abby, Trillium, Downeast, Lamplighter, Castle Island, etc.
There are plenty of even more outstanding yet obscure breweries, cider houses, and meaderies scattered throughout the metro area and region.
Well, if you're talking about where the brewery is located, one of those is in Lewes, Del. — the one I boldfaced. (Its brewery is now located in Milton.)
It seems to me that the practice among craft breweries is to count them according to the city the brewery calls home, not the corporate owner's headquarters. Were it the latter, Goose Island would be counted towards St. Louis and São Paulo, and Boulevard would be counted towards Antwerp. (Instead, they count towards Chicago and Kansas City, respectively.)
Your last sentence applies equally here. I'm also friends with the owner of another craft brewery, which brews its beer at the facility of another craft brewery in Bensalem. Phoenixville Borough has 13 craft brewers and brewpubs lining its main downtown street, which I think makes it the town with more breweries per capita than any other in the Commonwealth.
There may be more beer brewed in and around Boston overall, or the breweries may own more capacity (in the case of Sam Adams), but I'm not sure the phrase "blows it out of the water" applies relative to Philadelphia, at least not anymore. (According to this article from our regional tourism promotion agency, there are 116 craft brewers producing beer in the five-county Southeastern Pennsylvania region. This list leaves out Southern New Jersey* and Wilmington, both also part of the Philadelphia metro area. Historic note: This city is also where the first lager beer in America was brewed, according to legend; a state historical marker in Northern Liberties marks the site where it was brewed. Ironically, Ortlieb's, one of the city's larger breweries in the pre-craft era, had its brew house right next to the marker. It went out of business in the 1980s; its tasting room survives as a music venue.)
*One of the region's larger craft brewers is Flying Fish Brewing Co., located in Cherry Hill and known for its "Exit Series" of beers. (To get to the brewery, use New Jersey Turnpike Exit 4.) On the back of its delivery trucks is this legend: "Proudly brewed in New Jersey. You got a problem with that?"
Not really, (also subjective much?), a few replies...
1. Both are very historic, but Philadelphia and Boston function differently, and they are more or less peer cities in terms of big city living, which doesn't align with the definition of a poor man's version.
2. My least favorite statement on CD: "City X blows City Y out of the water". You are comparing Boston and Philadelphia, not Boston and Tupelo. They are both huge dynamic cities anchored by top-notch metropolitan regions.
3. I was raised outside of Philadelphia, there is no sense of "wanting to be NYC", perhaps you confuse that with the annoyance of being overshadowed by NYC? Philadelphia (like Boston) is an independent and prideful city.
4. Philadelphia has a sense of humor, look at the sports mascots and popular culture.
Anyways, for the purpose of this thread, Philadelphia functions as a super scaled down and affordable version of NYC. The best comparison for Boston is Providence.
The thread is subjective.
Thank you for illustrating my exact thoughts about Philadelphia. You did a wonderful job.
It's ironic that a poster from Boston is calling out Philly for having an inferiority complex towards New York.
The only instances people get upset at NYC are whenever people try to diminish Philly by labeling it as "diet New York" or a NYC company tries to use its name in a brand within the city. Other than that most people have a neutral or positive view of NYC. That's not the case with Boston at all. I have seen people on this site say Bostonians go to great lengths to avoid visiting NYC because they believe it's such a major step down from Boston in all facest. if Philly has an inferiority complex, then Boston has a superiority complex.
It's ironic that a poster from Boston is calling out Philly for having an inferiority complex towards New York.
The only instances people get upset at NYC are whenever people try to diminish Philly by labeling it as "diet New York" or a NYC company tries to use its name in a brand within the city. Other than that most people have a neutral or positive view of NYC. That's not the case with Boston at all. I have seen people on this site say Bostonians go to great lengths to avoid visiting NYC because they believe it's such a major step down from Boston in all facest. if Philly has an inferiority complex, then Boston has a superiority complex.
No doubt about it. Both cities have had their complexes toward NYC for the last 250 years. It's the creme between the cookies.
It's ironic that a poster from Boston is calling out Philly for having an inferiority complex towards New York.
The only instances people get upset at NYC are whenever people try to diminish Philly by labeling it as "diet New York" or a NYC company tries to use its name in a brand within the city. Other than that most people have a neutral or positive view of NYC. That's not the case with Boston at all. I have seen people on this site say Bostonians go to great lengths to avoid visiting NYC because they believe it's such a major step down from Boston in all facest. if Philly has an inferiority complex, then Boston has a superiority complex.
"In New York, they ask of a man, 'How much has he made?' In Philadelphia, 'Who were his parents?' In Boston, 'What books has he read?'"
—Oliver Wendell Holmes, the poet, not the jurist. Both were Bostonians.
I wrote an article comparing the two cities for the Philadelphia Gay News shortly after arriving here in 1983. I think I made the same point about Bostonian arrogance. Having been called arrogant myself, I think I know it when I see it.
I do, however, recommend that people who move from Boston to Philadelphia read Penn sociologist E. Digby Baltzell's book comparing the two, Puritan Boston and Quaker Philadelphia. Both cities were "holy experiments," but the Bostonians saw theirs as creating a "shining city upon a hill" while William Penn wanted to establish a colony where people could be left alone to worship as they pleased. (Which is why one of the first things he did after establishing Pennaylvania was to invite German Anabaptists suffering religious persecution to settle in Pennsylvania, thus giving us both the Philadelphia neighborhood of Germantown and the "Pennsylvania Dutch" country.)
The leaving-people-alone part is inward- rather than outward-looking (like the vision of John Winthrop), and the two cities' elites have reflected the differing origins. (Trivia question: A statue of the same woman sits in front of the Massachusetts State House in Boston and the Friends Center/Philadelphia Yearly Meeting in Philadelphia. Who is this woman, and why have both cities seem fit to memorialize her?). In Baltzell's estimation, Philadelphia has done worse by its elites than Boston has done by its, but the people who come here from somewhere else — like Botonian Benjamin Franklin — have managed to shine their light brightly in the nurturing soil of Philadelphia freedom.
I wonder what the city of Raleigh is a poor man's version of?
Having worked in Manhattan for 40 years, there's no comparison... both from the good years and more recently the bad ones.
But Raleigh has a lot going for it, in much smaller versions than other larger cities.
Raleigh is hard to place. The cities it's most alike are other Carolina cities. It also has some slight commonalities with DFW and Atlanta areas...
I have an affinity for the DFW/Triangle comp, so in that sense, Raleigh is a poor man's Dallas...
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