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Hard no... Navy Yards by itself is going to have the same office/residential space as NYC's Hudson Yards.
These types of projects are multi-billion/decade mega developments, not just throwing up a few +500' tower here and there. The only things even remotely approach Navy Yards or Hudson Yards that are shovel in the ground are Schuylkill Yards in Philly, Port Covington in Baltimore, South Works/Lakeside Project in Chicago
The other developments your mention are more in scope with The Warf, Buzzard Point or NoMa developments which by themselves are also multi-million square foot developments. DC infills better than any city other thats not names NYC or San Fran because of it's height restrictions, and those 20+ high rises mean nothing when there apartment buildings in DC that hold the same amount of units as 6-700' skyscrapers.
If we are adding Cambridge to Bostons development than its only fair to add Crystal City, Silver Spring, Bethesda & Arlington to DC. All of which are substantially less height restrictive and are building just as fast if not faster then DC.
Boston is simply not out building greater DC when the former had 13% population increase the last decade vs. DC's 17% increase.
Ugh... what makes you think DC's developments are any smaller by square footage or unit count? DC currently has 10 apartments U/C with 400 to 700 units in them. 8 of which are located in either Navy Yards, NoMa or Buzzard point.
Boston is simply not not out building DC when The Districts population is growing 25% faster... especially when the latter has far more oppressive height laws.
Just because you say it emphatically doesn’t make it true...phase 2 of the navy yards project in dc encompasses 3 million sq feet of mixed use space with expected completion 2030..Boston’s seaport alone encompasses 8 million sq feet of mixed use space and is well underway..the seaport is 20 city blocks itself..this doesn’t encompass large amounts of developable land further south in widett circle etc. video below shows seaport itself..this is just part of much more development on south Boston waterfront
In terms of highrise and skyscrapers built from 2009 to 2019 Montreal is tops
here is the list of 100m and taller buildings built from 2009 to 2019
Montreal: 20
San Francisco: 16
Boston: 11
Washington: 0
and here is the list for under construction
Montreal: 15
Boston: 5
San Francisco: 5
Washington: 0
Montreal will likely lead all 4 cities over the next decade as well as it is going through a similar transformation that Vancouver and Toronto are going through
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Just because you say it emphatically doesn’t make it true...phase 2 of the navy yards project in dc encompasses 3 million sq feet of mixed use space with expected completion 2030..Boston’s seaport alone encompasses 8 million sq feet of mixed use space and is well underway..the seaport is 20 city blocks itself..this doesn’t encompass large amounts of developable land further south in widett circle etc. video below shows seaport itself..this is just part of much more development on south Boston waterfront
You are confusing Navy Yards with The Yards. They are not the same. Seaport will be bigger than The Yards (the development you are referring too).
Satellite images for scale... The Yards only consist of the tracts of land east of the Stadium, South to M st. SE street and west of the factory/naval base.
Navy Yards contains the The Yards, Capper/Carrollsburg Redevelopments, and about 10-15 other developers who've individually thrown up their own 3-500 unit apartments buildings. Navy Yards is the entire tract of land south of 695.
So again, Bostons Seaport will not be larger than DC's Navy Yards in raw square footage or population, just larger than any of it's singular development projects.
Again the Seaport is not larger than the Navy Yards because Navy Yards isn't just stopping at Phase 2... there redeveloping that entire tract of city in the picture south of 695
And Boston is not stopping at the seaport...expand your picture of the Boston waterfront and see development to Southie, widett circle and down Dorchester ave... the seaports 8 million square feet will be done by 2030...dc 3 million square ft phase will just be giving way to another...no saying where the economy is in a decade
No one said Boston is stopping at the Seaport, and you shouldn't expand your picture for this comparison. You're missing the point Ne, you two were comparing two neighborhoods (Navy Yard is a neighborhood, Yards Park is one development inside Navy Yard). "Expanding the picture" beyond Yards park is not going beyond the neighborhood, it's just making a more apples to apples comparison (i.e. Seaport neighborhood and Navy Yard neighborhood).
And Boston is not stopping at the seaport...expand your picture of the Boston waterfront and see development to Southie, widett circle and down Dorchester ave... the seaports 8 million square feet will be done by 2030...dc 3 million square ft phase will just be giving way to another...no saying where the economy is in a decade
I never said Boston will stop at Seaport.... but thats not the point of this debate. Navy Yards is larger than Seaport.
Regarding the rest of the city. For every 3 people moving into Boston theres 4 moving into DC so just by net population immigration, DC is going to build faster and more of it because it has to. The height restrictions just exacerbates the construction boom as the city to runs out of developmental space a lot quicker than equally dense cities, causing remaining land value to soar through the roof.
No one said Boston is stopping at the Seaport, and you shouldn't expand your picture for this comparison. You're missing the point Ne, you two were comparing two neighborhoods (Navy Yard is a neighborhood, Yards Park is one development inside Navy Yard). "Expanding the picture" beyond Yards park is not going beyond the neighborhood, it's just making a more apples to apples comparison (i.e. Seaport neighborhood and Navy Yard neighborhood).
The photo of Boston above (https://i.imgur.com/v2Rv1o7.jpg?1) does not incorporate the entire seaport district. It becomes very difficult to isolate neighborhoods when there is so much contiguous development..the entire south Boston waterfront is being developed...the Omni hotel going up on summer street, the Nema Boston on Congress st for example are not technically defined “seaport” as per my video above (https://www.wsdevelopment.com/our-pr...ton-seaport-2/) but they are all south Boston waterfront...if you ask someone from Boston who is going to one of these places they will likely say they are going to the seaport...the entire south Boston waterfront practically speaking functions as a neighborhood and is seaport district..this is all contiguous development in previously undeveloped areas that extends farther than your map above... For example development a block down from what is not included to the right in the photo of Boston above (https://i.imgur.com/v2Rv1o7.jpg?1) is this...
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And Boston is not stopping at the seaport...expand your picture of the Boston waterfront and see development to Southie, widett circle and down Dorchester ave... the seaports 8 million square feet will be done by 2030...dc 3 million square ft phase will just be giving way to another...no saying where the economy is in a decade
I was gonna say...Navy Yard is no where near the end of it for DC. I’d have to compile the sq footage numbers, but it’s in the 10’s of millions of sq ft just down in the areas south of 695/395. When they pitched the area to Amazon it was pitched to be at least 8 million sq ft of office by itself just right there in Navy Yard/Capital Riverfront. Then there’s Buzzard Point coming along now being built up, the 2nd phase of the Wharf/ Waterfront Metro apartments under construction, and eventually Poplar Point which spreads the development across the Anacostia River. And Joakim is 1000% correct Navy Yard is an entire section of the city, not “the Yards” development.
As the OP states, this goes beyond building construction too. There have been two new major sports stadiums built there over the past 10 years, Nats Park, and Audi Field (DC United) which combined seat over 65,000 people and are 3 blocks away from each other. Not to mention two new MAJOR bridge projects being constructed over the next 2/3 years, the new Frederick Douglass Memorial Bridge expansion, and 11th Street Bridge Park which is supposed to function like The Highline in Manhattan. All of this in about a 4/5 sq mile part of the city. No one has mentioned anything here about Northeast DC and Union Market which is DC’s version of the meat packing district, Union Station redevelopment with DC Streetcar being added. The rise and boom of neighborhoods like H Street NE, and Shaw, nor the retail and major infrastructure projects throughout the rest of the city. I haven’t even gotten started on Amazon HQ2, all of Arlington/Alex, Reagan National expansion, the Silver Line/Dulles Phase 2, Tysons, Reston, Bethesda/Rockville’s boom, the Purple Line in MD, etc etc etc.
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I was gonna say...Navy Yards is no where near the end of it for DC. I’d have to compile the sq footage numbers, but it’s in the 10’s of millions of sq ft just down in the areas south of 695/395. When they pitched the area to Amazon it was pitched to be at least 8 million sq ft of office by itself just right there in Navy Yard/Capital Riverfront. Then there’s Buzzard Point coming along now being built up, the 2nd phase of the Wharf/ Waterfront Metro apartments under construction, and eventually Poplar Point which spreads the development across the Anacostia River.
As the OP states, this goes beyond building construction too. There have been two new major sports stadiums built there over the past 10 years, Nats Park, and Audi Field (DC United) which combined seat over 65,000 people and are 3 blocks away from each other. Not to mention two new MAJOR bridge projects being constructed over the next 2/3 years, the New Frederick Douglass Memorial Bridge expansion, and 11th Street Bridge Park which is supposed to function like The Highline in Manhattan. All of this in about a 4/5 sq mile part of the city. No one has mentioned anything here about Northeast DC and Union Market which is DC’s version of the meat packing district, Union Station redevelopment with DC Streetcar being added. The rise and boom of neighborhoods like H Street NE, and Shaw. Nor the retail and major infrastructure projects throughout the rest of the city, and I haven’t even got started on Amazon HQ2, all of Arlington/Alex, Reagan National expansion, the Silver Line/Dulles Phase 2, Tysons, Reston, the Purple Line in MD, etc etc etc.
And the seaport district is nowhere near it for Boston ...the 10 mill square ft site pitched for Amazon is still being developed (Suffolk Downs | Boston Planning & Development Agency) as is millions of sq ft all over the city of Boston, Cambridge, Somerville and beyond ..I’m not just going to list a million developments as I know can be done for every city in this poll..congrats on the growth of all these cities..I’m rooting for you all!
^This map shows Metro with the Purple and Silver Line extensions.
Union Station is undergoing an expansion to dramatically increase service (which I think DC is the 2nd or 3rd busiest rail station in US). VA passed a bill that Buys some tracks from CSX or something that will increase capacity by 75% on the commuter train with capacity increases starting as early as this year and more additions as the bridge over the Potomac is built (part of the CSX deal) allows more trains along with weekend service.
The silver line connects to Dulles airport, the purple line has some awesome stations. https://d1dph1psyatsfa.cloudfront.ne...fPLstation.png The purple line light rail station will be stacked over the heavy rail red line with a large bus hub and connected to some greenways and connected to the MARC commuter train station.
DC suburbs have mass transit most major cities fantasize over.
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