Albany, NY vs. Hartford, CT vs. New Haven, CT vs. Providence, RI (place, life)
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Ok. That’s fine and all but are we not talking about city comparisons? Not MSA comparisons? Regardless of Millennials moving back to the suburbs it’s not as great a shift as in generations past.
I mean Albany can’t be all that desirable given its lost population every since or census since 1950 and has a much smaller MSA than Providence...
Hartford isnt all that desirable despite its MSA being wealthy and prosperous.
I’m just not sure why you’re focusing on suburbs and economics so much. Important but when we’re talking comeback cities.
Pittsburgh’s come back as a city without any improvement (arguably decline) in its suburbs. And I don’t think that’s all that uncommon .
What are you ultimately arguing? Hartford will become more desirable than Providence? I doubt it-but maybe. Will Hartford improve more, IMO yes.
City limits actually has small growth during the 2000-2010 decade and slight decline according to estimates this past decade, but the metro area has generally grown. Saratoga County had a lot to do with that, but i believe that the other counties have had some recent growth as well.
Don't sleep on Albany-Schenectady-Troy. A very affordable area with numerous good colleges ( SUNY Albany, Union College, RPI, St. Rose, Siena, etc, a prominent public employment sector, Albany Medical Center ( w/Albany Medical College), and only 3 hrs from either Boston or NYC. And it's becoming a tech center, as well..
City limits actually has small growth during the 2000-2010 decade and slight decline according to estimates this past decade, but the metro area has generally grown. Saratoga County had a lot to do with that, but i believe that the other counties have had some recent growth as well.
My bad.I did miss that slight bump of 2k people in between 200 and 2010.
I’m arguing that Barrington isn’t going to have a better school system than Avon CT. Or Guilford CT. I can’t speak to Albany. The economy is tied to where the 5%ers live. They’re clearly not going to live in those four cities within the city limits no matter how much love you show for Providence. I like Providence but I don’t see how you attract white collar professionals to it or entice Brown grads to stay.
When people say I live in Boston, they’re generally really living in a suburb. The Boston population is tiny compared to the MSA. The same is true for the four cities in this thread.
I’m arguing that Barrington isn’t going to have a better school system than Avon CT. Or Guilford CT. I can’t speak to Albany. The economy is tied to where the 5%ers live. They’re clearly not going to live in those four cities within the city limits no matter how much love you show for Providence. I like Providence but I don’t see how you attract white collar professionals to it or entice Brown grads to stay.
When people say I live in Boston, they’re generally really living in a suburb. The Boston population is tiny compared to the MSA. The same is true for the four cities in this thread.
In the Albany area, I'd say Niskayuna just east of Schenectady(General Electric and Knolls Atomic Laboratory $), Bethlehem just south of Albany, the Loudonville area in northern Colonie just north of
Albany(Siena College is located there, North Colonie SD), Clifton Park and Halfmoon in southern Saratoga County(Shenendehowa SD) and even much of Saratoga Springs/surrounding towns(Wilton, Malta(Global Foundries $/Ballston Spa SD), etc.), among others(parts of East Greenbush, Guilderland, Rexford/Burnt Hills-Ballston Lake and Niskayuna SD's, Voorheesville, etc.).
I’m arguing that Barrington isn’t going to have a better school system than Avon CT. Or Guilford CT. I can’t speak to Albany. The economy is tied to where the 5%ers live. They’re clearly not going to live in those four cities within the city limits no matter how much love you show for Providence. I like Providence but I don’t see how you attract white collar professionals to it or entice Brown grads to stay.
When people say I live in Boston, they’re generally really living in a suburb. The Boston population is tiny compared to the MSA. The same is true for the four cities in this thread.
so youre talking MSA. I'm not. That's the disconnect.. I would change my entire list if that's the case. Generally im talking city proper unless otherwise denoted with "area" or "MSA"
I don't buy that the burbs drive the city's growth/appeal. Rather, its visa versa unless maybe you're core is totally a shell and incapable of immediate revitalization (a la Detroit)
Hartford burbs were better than Providence's 30 years ago, and still are today. Which city would you rather live in today? Providence or Hartford? Which city has seen a renaissance and grown over the last 30 years, Providence or Hartford? Which city decayed further?
so youre talking MSA. I'm not. That's the disconnect.. I would change my entire list if that's the case. Generally im talking city proper unless otherwise denoted with "area" or "MSA"
I don't buy that the burbs drive the city's growth/appeal. Rather, its visa versa unless maybe you're core is totally a shell and incapable of immediate revitalization (a la Detroit)
Hartford burbs were better than Providence's 30 years ago, and still are today. Which city would you rather live in today? Providence or Hartford? Which city has seen a renaissance and grown over the last 30 years, Providence or Hartford? Which city decayed further?
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Originally Posted by masssachoicetts
Providence I think... its close to Boston, whch is the 2nd fastest growing city between NYC, BOS, PHL, DC, and BAL.
In the next 20 years Providence will have:
-A 600ft tower
-High-Speed Rail service to Boston in just about 40 minutes, at good frequency
-It has the bones to grow over 200k people.
-TF Green growth as BOS comes to a limit, you'll start seeing more airlines shift there as we saw before the MAX groundings.
-Providence is emerging as a nightclub hub and great scene for the LGBT populace
-The amount of blight has been significantly reduced since 2010, and will continue to do so.
The only city thats better than Boston (Best city in the world) to live in? Providence... and I think Providence will see that translate to growth as RI becomes more attractive.
Sometimes I think on how corrupt RI's govt is and I wonder what the state would be like if it merged with MA...
What would Providence do with a 600 ft tower. Don't they currently have an abandoned 500 ft tower?
And Providence if connected by electrified rail to Boston in under 45 minutes would make it grow the fastest of said four cities. Didnt say it woudl be the best of the 4, it just would have the most opportunity.
so youre talking MSA. I'm not ... I don't buy that the burbs drive the city's growth/appeal. Rather, its visa versa unless maybe you're core is totally a shell and incapable of immediate revitalization (a la Detroit)
Everyplace has suburbs. Better cities have better suburbs even in cases where the city's eminence is historical while its suburbs retain their status. Hartford, Detroit, Cleveland and other cities have great suburbs even as the city has declined. Sometimes the best suburbs are within city limits, as in Baltimore. Boston had great suburbs through all its years of decline. Since its revival it still has great suburbs. Suburbs do not determine growth or decline of a city; they're too diffuse a category. Having great suburbs hasn't kept any city from losing its mojo and is unlikely to make much of a difference in helping said city get it back.
Everyplace has suburbs. Better cities have better suburbs even in cases where the city's eminence is historical while its suburbs retain their status. Hartford, Detroit, Cleveland and other cities have great suburbs even as the city has declined. Sometimes the best suburbs are within city limits, as in Baltimore. Boston had great suburbs through all its years of decline. Since its revival it still has great suburbs. Suburbs do not determine growth or decline of a city; they're too diffuse a category. Having great suburbs hasn't kept any city from losing its mojo and is unlikely to make much of a difference in helping said city get it back.
Yes I agree. So my point stands that Providence can be a better city and is a better City than Hartford and Albany even with worse suburbs
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