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View Poll Results: More upscale
Buckhead/Brookhaven 42 51.85%
Scottsdale 39 48.15%
Voters: 81. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-23-2020, 11:26 AM
 
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Also here's a quote from Wikipedia....it's a bit outdated now, the point still stands.

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Since at least the 1950s, Buckhead has been known as a district of extreme wealth, with the western and northern neighborhoods being virtually unrivaled in the Southeast. In 2011, The Gadberry Group compiled the list of the 50 wealthiest zip codes in the United States, ranking Buckhead's western zip code (30327) as the second wealthiest zip code in the South (behind Palm Beach's 33480) and the second wealthiest zip code east of California and south of Virginia.[20] The same group reported the average household income at $280,631, with an average household net worth of $1,353,189.[20] These 2011 figures are up from a similar 2005 study that pegged Buckhead as the wealthiest community in the South and the only settlement south of the Washington D.C. suburb of Great Falls, and east of the Phoenix suburb of Paradise Valley to be among the 50 wealthiest communities in the country.[21] However, according to Forbes magazine, (30327) is the ninth-wealthiest zip code in the nation, with a household income in excess of $341,000.[22] The Robb Report magazine has consistently ranked Buckhead one of the nation's "10 Top Affluent Communities" due to "the most beautiful mansions, best shopping, and finest restaurants in the Southeastern United States".[23][24][25][26][27] Due to its wealth, Buckhead is sometimes promoted as the "Beverly Hills of the East" or "Beverly Hills of the South" in reference to Beverly Hills, California, an area to which it is often compared.[28][29]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckhead

If Buckhead was it's own city, it would have some of the most impressive figures in the country.
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Old 02-23-2020, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Buckhead. Just go look at the homes in Tuxedo Park.

Also, Atlanta has the 2nd highest top 5% average household income($663,000) in the country after SF and they almost all live in Buckhead. Buckhead has always been where the old money South was located. Plenty of celebrities have had houses in Buckhead including Justin Beiber, Usher, Future, Tyler Perry, Cardi B, etc.

Source: https://www.city-data.com/forum/city...s-average.html

Scottsdale is nice and is nearly homogenous middle class, but it doesn't have the super wealth of Buckhead. Buckhead is older though so that's why it might feel "run down" in some spots.
Mariah Carey and Elton John are past Buckhead residents as well. Oprah owned a condo in Buckhead but she never really lived there like the others did. The number of famous folk who actually have lived in Atlanta is incredible, especially when you consider how much smaller (and less developed) it was when they arrived.

John Mayer used to rest his head in the 30305 too. I almost forgot about him.
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Old 02-23-2020, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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I’ll take your word for it, but if you’re scared to go to Lenox, then you shouldn’t be in Atlanta at all. Maybe somewhere like rural Maine or Montana where you’re pretty isolated from the current state of the world.

Folks act like crime is unique to Atlanta only.

Borderline Bar & Grill is still open and kicking, it doesn’t seem like folks are afraid of that place. Ned Peppers is still alive and well.

But folks are afraid of Lenox Square? Ok.
Umm, a mall shouldn’t have shootings, but to get 3 in a month should justifiably make regulars fearful. Some of the worse neighborhoods (not whole cities) have in that range of shootings (people actually getting shot) per month.

No one is saying crime is exclusive to Atlanta, but for what Lenox is suppose to represent, it is much worse crimewise than what people consider ghetto malls.
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Old 02-23-2020, 10:40 PM
 
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Umm, a mall shouldn’t have shootings, but to get 3 in a month should justifiably make regulars fearful. Some of the worse neighborhoods (not whole cities) have in that range of shootings (people actually getting shot) per month.

No one is saying crime is exclusive to Atlanta, but for what Lenox is suppose to represent, it is much worse crimewise than what people consider ghetto malls.
A real problem with Lenox is that it's so accessible. Marta has a rail line right next to the mall so essentially anyone can get there.
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Old 02-24-2020, 12:27 AM
 
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A real problem with Lenox is that it's so accessible. Marta has a rail line right next to the mall so essentially anyone can get there.
Usually commercial establishments and really all neighborhoods see accessibility not as a problem but as a major attribute. If you are living in a place designed to keep people out then you're likely not living right.
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Old 02-24-2020, 01:09 AM
 
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Usually commercial establishments and really all neighborhoods see accessibility not as a problem but as a major attribute. If you are living in a place designed to keep people out then you're likely not living right.
Sure, but I'm just saying. Lenox is the most popular mall in the entire SE with the highest sales per square foot so it's gonna bring a huge diversity of people and the easy rail access only further enhances that.

Scottsdale is very much an affluent suburb that's cut off from the main city(Phoenix). Buckhead is apart of the city of Atlanta. Buckhead is far more accessible to everyone, from the very affluent to the very poor. Hell even our most affluent suburbs, Dunwoody and Alpharetta has some rail access.
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Old 02-24-2020, 03:08 AM
 
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Scottsdale is not just a middle class suburb.

https://silverleaf.com/real-estate/s...ty-collection/

https://www.sweephoenixazhomes.com/s...over-5million/
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Old 02-24-2020, 05:47 AM
 
Location: Surprise, AZ
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I see a lot of articles written by Atlanta teal estate agents calling it that. And then a ton of CD posts. I can call myself the lebron James of Seattle. It doesn’t mean it’s true


Back to the original question, doesn’t Scottsdale have a lot of resorts and golf? That makes it feel upscale.
In some ways, Scottsdale is very comparable to Buckhead, yet Scottsdale in almost every area is a well-functioning city of its own.

According to Wiki, the city of Scottsdale is tied with Atlanta for fourth, after New York City, Las Vegas, and Chicago respectively, as having the most AAA Five-Diamond hotels and resorts in the United States. As of 2016, Scottsdale also had the highest number of destination spas per capita of any city in the United States.

Also, the highest concentrations of galleries, studios and museums that are open to the public can be found in Downtown Scottsdale. Scottsdale is home to more than 125 professional art galleries and studios, one of the highest per-capita anywhere in the nation. According to the Scottsdale Convention & Visitor's Bureau and American Style Magazine, the city has become one of the country's largest art markets, usually only sharing ranks with New York City, New York and Santa Fe, New Mexico in terms of commerce generated as a direct result of art sales and purchasing.

Not my scene anymore (used to frequent in the 90s), but Scottsdale is home to a variety of high-end nightclubs, restaurants, hotels, lounges and bars. This is evident by the growing number of style-conscious hotels that have opened up throughout Downtown Scottsdale which equally cater to the nightlife crowds. Similar to well-known nightclub districts in other major cities, much like Atlanta's Buckhead district and Miami's South Beach, most of Downtown Scottsdale's major bars and clubs are generally located within walking distance. Crowds of over 40,000-strong are known to congregate to this area.

Scottsdale is continually ranked as one of the premier golf and resort destinations in the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottsdale,_Arizona

There are many shopping areas within the city of Scottsdale, ranging from small districts to large centers. The most notable regional centers include the Kierland Commons and Scottsdale Quarter in North Scottsdale, and the Scottsdale Fashion Square in Downtown Scottsdale, a major destination for high-end retailers. Scottsdale Fashion Square has consistently been one of the most profitable malls in the United States, being ranked in 2016 as the second highest sales per square foot mall in the country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottsdale_Fashion_Square

Scottsdale repeats as the No. 1 city for jobs in U.S.: https://azbigmedia.com/business/jobs...r-jobs-in-u-s/

https://money.yahoo.com/best-cities-jobs-171827960.html
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Old 02-25-2020, 07:42 AM
 
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In some ways, Scottsdale is very comparable to Buckhead, yet Scottsdale in almost every area is a well-functioning city of its own.

According to Wiki, the city of Scottsdale is tied with Atlanta for fourth, after New York City, Las Vegas, and Chicago respectively, as having the most AAA Five-Diamond hotels and resorts in the United States. As of 2016, Scottsdale also had the highest number of destination spas per capita of any city in the United States.

Also, the highest concentrations of galleries, studios and museums that are open to the public can be found in Downtown Scottsdale. Scottsdale is home to more than 125 professional art galleries and studios, one of the highest per-capita anywhere in the nation. According to the Scottsdale Convention & Visitor's Bureau and American Style Magazine, the city has become one of the country's largest art markets, usually only sharing ranks with New York City, New York and Santa Fe, New Mexico in terms of commerce generated as a direct result of art sales and purchasing.

Not my scene anymore (used to frequent in the 90s), but Scottsdale is home to a variety of high-end nightclubs, restaurants, hotels, lounges and bars. This is evident by the growing number of style-conscious hotels that have opened up throughout Downtown Scottsdale which equally cater to the nightlife crowds. Similar to well-known nightclub districts in other major cities, much like Atlanta's Buckhead district and Miami's South Beach, most of Downtown Scottsdale's major bars and clubs are generally located within walking distance. Crowds of over 40,000-strong are known to congregate to this area.

Scottsdale is continually ranked as one of the premier golf and resort destinations in the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottsdale,_Arizona

There are many shopping areas within the city of Scottsdale, ranging from small districts to large centers. The most notable regional centers include the Kierland Commons and Scottsdale Quarter in North Scottsdale, and the Scottsdale Fashion Square in Downtown Scottsdale, a major destination for high-end retailers. Scottsdale Fashion Square has consistently been one of the most profitable malls in the United States, being ranked in 2016 as the second highest sales per square foot mall in the country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottsdale_Fashion_Square

Scottsdale repeats as the No. 1 city for jobs in U.S.: https://azbigmedia.com/business/jobs...r-jobs-in-u-s/

https://money.yahoo.com/best-cities-jobs-171827960.html

Buckhead could be a city on it's own as well. It has it's own CBD, economy, culture, diversity of neighborhoods, shopping, etc. It's just that it's apart of the city of Atlanta which helps the taxbase a lot and makes Atlanta a lot richer than it otherwise would be.

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Old 02-25-2020, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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Also here's a quote from Wikipedia....it's a bit outdated now, the point still stands.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckhead


Also here's a quote from Wikipedia....it's a bit outdated now, the point still stands.

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Since at least the 1950s, Buckhead has been known as a district of extreme wealth, with the western and northern neighborhoods being virtually unrivaled in the Southeast. In 2011, The Gadberry Group compiled the list of the 50 wealthiest zip codes in the United States, ranking Buckhead's western zip code (30327) as the second wealthiest zip code in the South (behind Palm Beach's 33480) and the second wealthiest zip code east of California and south of Virginia.[20] However, according to Forbes magazine, (30327) is the ninth-wealthiest zip code in the nation, with a household income in excess of $341,000.[22]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckhead

If Buckhead was it's own city, it would have some of the most impressive figures in the country.

If Buckhead was it's own city, it would have some of the most impressive figures in the country.



Is that really true though? It appears it's a bit dated because all the links to the source of the information are broken.


Bloomburg's 2019 Ultimate Wealth Zip Codes puts the 30327 zip code pretty far down the list and behind many places in Florida and even one in North Carolina.


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