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People who choose Phoenix over LA are just poorer. No shame of being poorer. I used to be like that at 13 working my first job. But now I make high 9 figures. So no shame, if I can do it, you can do it, too. #noshameindamoneygame
Lmao. At least they're not struggling trying to "Make it" or "tough it out" in LA. I'll be poorer in that regard.
No offense to California but I do feel California is losing its touch by disregarding the middle class so extremely. They've made a practical life nearly impossible. There is alot of value in the average working class citizen being able to afford a mortgage without living in a shoebox or under an overpass.
I know little about what Pheonix is doing but there's more to being a great city than the glamour of being a world class entity, beaches and mountains. Its beautiful there dont get me wrong but that's still only skin deep.
Functionality is often overlooked and just as important and that's what alot of these second tier cities are starting to offer in terms of a basic lifestyle especially when some of them are starting to offer similar salaries in respective fields for a much lower CoL.
LA is a faster paced, better weather, more diverse, more fun city than Phoenix and is one of two world class cities in the western U.S. Phoenix is not on LA level IMO
L.A. and is a faster paced, better weather, more diverse, more fun city than Phoenix and is one of two world class cities in the western U.S. Phoenix is not on LA level IMO
Phoenix is best compared with Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, and Denver to the north. LA on the other hand is a unique beast and is a true world city. LA sits at the table with not only NYC but places like London, Paris, Milan, Rome, etc. Phoenix isn't on that level and that isn't a bad thing.
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Phoenix is graded an A-. Los Angeles is only a B.
There are a lot of cities up there at A- with Phoenix, including Chicago. Doesn't mean a thing on Niche. LA has fantastic neighborhoods and not so great areas, so does Phoenix. Keep this in perspective.
No offense to California but I do feel California is losing its touch by disregarding the middle class so extremely. They've made a practical life nearly impossible. There is alot of value in the average working class citizen being able to afford a mortgage without living in a shoebox or under an overpass.
I know little about what Pheonix is doing but there's more to being a great city than the glamour of being a world class entity, beaches and mountains. Its beautiful there dont get me wrong but that's still only skin deep.
Functionality is often overlooked and just as important and that's what alot of these second tier cities are starting to offer in terms of a basic lifestyle especially when some of them are starting to offer similar salaries in respective fields for a much lower CoL.
Its true. The point about the middle class is dead on. The only people moving there long term are either really rich or really poor. Its the middle class thats trying to get out.
LA is obviously a much more interesting place to visit but living someplace is not the same thing.
There is a reason why I fly there on an almost weekly basis as opposed to moving back to LA. Its just become a really difficult place to live. Its absolutely true that it does have world class amenities and has a climate and natural surrounding that makes almost any other city jealous, but unless youre either really rich or happy to spend eternity renting and can put up with the traffic its pretty hard to be there.
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Phoenix is what you get when you combine suburban Central Florida with the Inland Empire (Riverside/San Bernardino/Palm Desert).
Sure, it's growing impressively, but as far as sunbelt cities go, I would say the Texas metros (Dallas, Houston, Austin) are still ahead. Same for Atlanta, Nashville and Charlotte. Though I will say PHX is a better place to live when compared to all of New Mexico, Las Vegas, El Paso, San Antonio, and anything in FL with the exception of Miami.
The main reason people like comparing PHX with LA is because lots of Californians move to PHX. Many of them were priced out of California by insane housing costs. Some of them are political refugees (conservatives who didn't like liberal culture/politics).
Also, ASU in Tempe is a popular destination for kids in SoCal who can't get into the desirable universities here.
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