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Old 04-06-2020, 07:25 PM
 
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When I see Cambridge, I feel this becomes of another NYC vs Boston. Let's be honest, fairfield county is part of
NYC metro area, and tons of residents commute on Metro North and work in Manhattan.

The only place that is comparable to Cambridge is New Haven county where Yale sit. Fairfield county is bit too small compared to the MA Middlesex county. My gut feeling is that New Haven county + fairfield county together the population should be close to middlesex county.
They roughly same size in area land mass
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Old 04-06-2020, 07:33 PM
 
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When I see Cambridge, I feel this becomes of another NYC vs Boston. Let's be honest, fairfield county is part of NYC metro area, and tons of residents commute on Metro North and work in Manhattan.

The only place that is comparable to Cambridge is New Haven county where Yale sit. Fairfield county is bit too small compared to the MA Middlesex county. My gut feeling is that New Haven county + fairfield county together the population should be close to middlesex county.
The problem with this logic is that Cambridge’s relationship to Boston is not at all similar to New Haven’s or even Greenwich’s relationship to NYC. For all intents and purposes, a good chunk of Middlesex County should be Boston. It’s just that NYC and Boston had very different experiences when it came to annexing their neighbors.

Nowhere in Fairfield County or New Haven County is comparable to southeastern Middlesex County.

To put it another way: Middlesex County outside of 128 is more similar to Fairfield County. The problem there is that Middlesex-Outside-128 doesn’t really have the large cities that Fairfield does: only Framingham and Lowell, both of which are comparable to Norwalk or Danbury but not to Stamford. At the same time, it doesn’t have anything as bad as Bridgeport. Lowell is the closest.

Edit: After reviewing the data, Lowell seems closer to Bridgeport than to Norwalk or Danbury. Those latter 2 are much more like Framingham.

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Old 04-06-2020, 08:00 PM
 
Location: Bergen County, New Jersey
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The problem with this logic is that Cambridge’s relationship to Boston is not at all similar to New Haven’s or even Greenwich’s relationship to NYC. For all intents and purposes, a good chunk of Middlesex County should be Boston. It’s just that NYC and Boston had very different experiences when it came to annexing their neighbors.

Nowhere in Fairfield County or New Haven County is comparable to southeastern Middlesex County.

To put it another way: Middlesex County outside of 128 is more similar to Fairfield County. The problem there is that Middlesex-Outside-128 doesn’t really have the large cities that Fairfield does: only Framingham and Lowell, both of which are comparable to Norwalk or Danbury but not to Stamford. At the same time, it doesn’t have anything as bad as Bridgeport. Lowell is the closest.

Edit: After reviewing the data, Lowell seems closer to Bridgeport than to Norwalk or Danbury. Those latter 2 are much more like Framingham.
^^^^

I think Plymouth County MA might be a better comparison. Some nice burbs, some icky towns, generally equally desirable.
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Old 04-06-2020, 08:03 PM
 
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I think Plymouth County MA might be a better comparison. Some nice burbs, some icky towns, generally equally desirable.
I was actually thinking Norfolk? The only issue is that while it has the rich suburbs, it doesn’t have many large cities. :\

Or maybe Essex with Bridgeport being like Lawrence and Haverhill and the others being like Boxford, Topsfield, Manchester-by-the-sea, etc.?
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Old 04-06-2020, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Bergen County, New Jersey
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I was actually thinking Norfolk? The only issue is that while it has the rich suburbs, it doesn’t have many large cities. :\
Yeah it lacks Stanfords/Bridgeport's, etc ... but a good answer to Greenwich/Darien is Scituate/Cohasset/Hingham/Duxbury. But im more thinking of desirability. Middlesex has a lot more desirability than Fairfield CT generally.
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Old 04-06-2020, 08:09 PM
 
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Yeah it lacks Stanfords/Bridgeport's, etc ... but a good answer to Greenwich/Darien is Scituate/Cohasset/Hingham/Duxbury. But im more thinking of desirability. Middlesex has a lot more desirability than Fairfield CT generally.
I think Darien, New Canaan, Westport much more wealthier than those towns
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Old 04-06-2020, 08:12 PM
 
Location: Bergen County, New Jersey
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I think Darien, New Canaan, Westport much more wealthier than those towns
They are but Ive been to both areas... and the natural beauty in the Dux-Hingham-Marsh-Cohas-Scituate area is much more impressive.
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Old 04-06-2020, 08:13 PM
 
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I think Darien, New Canaan, Westport much more wealthier than those towns
Yeah, based on per-capita income Darien and New Canaan are more similar to Weston than any Essex, Plymouth, or Norfolk towns. I guess the moral of the story here is that no MA county really lines up well with Fairfield.

Edit: I might be willing to admit that Fairfield beats Middlesex-outside-128 if that means anything.

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Old 04-06-2020, 08:18 PM
 
Location: Shoreline Connecticut
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Yeah, based on per-capita income Darien and New Canaan are more similar to Weston than any Essex, Plymouth, or Norfolk towns. I guess the moral of the story here is that no MA county really lines up well with Fairfield.
fairfield county is quite unique in CT or even in USA. Nothing is like that to the extreme. Greenwich is very a much a town for billionaires, now you get another city within same county Bridgeport, which for closest comparison in MA is Springfield. I do not know enough of Lowell vs Springfield, similar or worse or better, you get the idea.

Now another unique city Stamford within fairfield county, the biggest city in CT on GDP, the No 1 city economically in CT, the closest comparison should be Jersey City, or Hoboken, NJ, not sure any MA city is similar to that.
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Old 04-06-2020, 08:24 PM
 
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. As you drive north through Massachusetts, you observe more "New Hampshire trees," which is how I referred to coniferous trees in childhood. In my opinion, the tall coniferous trees of northern Massachusetts are less attractive than the broad-leaf deciduous trees you observe in coastal southern New England as well as the coastal pines of the Outer Lands.
I for one love the tall white pines of northern Mass. They’re a beautiful tree in any season. It’s not as though Mass has a shortage of broadleaf trees either, but in fall it’s partly the combination of the turning colors of the broadleafs against the green of pine and hemlock that makes the fall colors what they are. In winter, without those white pines you’d have a lot of gray, leafless bark.

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the fully rhotic American English accent that is indigenous to western Connecticut is much more euphonious than the fully non-rhotic accent of the Greater Boston area. The Eastern New England accents not only unpleasant-sounding, they are also relatively difficult for the average American to understand.
Come on, Bert. You write as if that’s some sort of intersubjective truth rather than personal opinion.
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