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Old 02-15-2022, 05:19 PM
 
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Yes, I completely agree. The first wave of the Great Migration was mostly driven by push factors, that is, conditions pushing folks out of the South--primarily boll weevil infestation in the late 19th/early 20th centuries which made sharecropping even more crappy than it already was. The second wave had mostly pull factors, that is opportunities elsewhere that were attractive to potential migrants, driving it: employment opportunities created by WWII. I've never in my life heard anyone criticize Black folks as short-sighted for relocating in light of such circumstances. On a personal note, Nearly all of my grandmother's siblings who migrated north have remained there and definitely have something to show for it. My dad's first cousin moved to northern New Jersey years ago, and he and his wife are living the good life, traveling the country in a nice RV most of the time.

DC has always been a magnet for migration for Black Americans, well before the Great Migration, and even with the problems that have plagued the poorer communities in the city proper, it has always stood out as a city where overall, Blacks have done relatively well for themselves.

And I definitely appreciate you shedding light on the many Black middle-class communities in the Northeast and Midwest that aren't nearly as well-known as the more popular ones.
No problem, but the whole story needs to be told. Some were recruited for work as well.

Good point about migration to DC and education also played a part in that even at the public school level before integration, as Dunbar High was a high achieving/performing high school in the city that attracted families.
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Old 02-16-2022, 09:49 AM
 
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No problem, but the whole story needs to be told. Some were recruited for work as well.

Good point about migration to DC and education also played a part in that even at the public school level before integration, as Dunbar High was a high achieving/performing high school in the city that attracted families.
Yes the factories up north often recruited down south for workers. And at the same time, you had southern officials that also tried to prevent Black folks from leaving. Many departures occurred in the dead of night with partial families. They did what they had to do to make better lives for themselves.
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Old 02-16-2022, 10:05 AM
 
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Yes the factories up north often recruited down south for workers. And at the same time, you had southern officials that also tried to prevent Black folks from leaving. Many departures occurred in the dead of night with partial families. They did what they had to do to make better lives for themselves.
Exactly and some times it was domestic work that brought women up north. Some times it was farm work.

Just to give an example relative to the thread, this is the first black mayor of DC, who was born in GA, but his family migrated to Jamestown NY months later, where he grew up(about an hour and 20 minutes south of Buffalo/50 minutes east of Erie PA):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIvKQDUw0p0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKLms6jCcvY
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Old 02-16-2022, 10:53 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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So now in 2022, what are the premiere urban neighborhoods in each that have a plurality or near plurality of black people?
Well, from a Black business standpoint, the largest strip of current Black owned businesses in DC is in Ward 8's Historic Anacostia in 2022:

Black Owned Businesses

Enlightened, Inc., IT and Management Consultant Firm (Relocated 150 employees from Downtown DC to Anacostia in 2022)

We Act Radio Studio

WACIF (Relocating to Anacosita from Ward 5 in 2022)

The HIVE


Black Owned Shops and Galleries

Mahogany Books

Nubian Hueman

Vintage and Charmed

Honfleur Gallery

Check It

La Threadz Couture

Anacostia Art Gallery Boutique


Black Owned Bank

Industrial Bank (Anacostia Location)


Black Owned Grocery Store

Fresh Food Factory


Black Owned Existing Restaurants

Open Crumb DC

Busboys and Poets (Anacostia Location)

Turning Natural (Anacostia Location)

Mama's Pizza Kitchen

E Life Restaurant

Tony's Place (Anacostia Location)


Black Owned Restaurants Coming Soon

Kitchen Savages

DC Smokehouse (Anacostia Location)

Sweet Tooth Cakes and Pastries Bakery (Anacostia Location)


Black Owned Health and Wellness

Oral Surgery DC

Chirokei

Animal Clinic of Anacostia (Veterinarian)


Black Owned Theater


Anacostia Black Box Theater

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Old 02-17-2022, 11:38 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Significant news out today about the Parkside neighborhood in Downtown Ward 7.

Ward 7's Parkside is growing with two new buildings and more to come

New Parkside Aerial Map

Summary

Current Phase

191 Unit Multi-family Building (The Vesta) = Leasing (Delivered)
118 Unit Multi-family Building with 6,020 sq. feet of retail = Delivers 2023 (Under Construction)
112 Unit Multi-family Building with 5,737 sq. feet of retail = Delivers 2023 (Under Construction)
82 Unit Multi-family Building with 4,000 sq. feet of retail = Delivers 2023 (Breaks Ground in June 2022)
110 Unit Multi-family Building with 10,193 sq. feet of retail = Delivers 2024 (Breaks Ground in June 2022)

Total = 613 units with 25,950 sq. feet of retail

Next Phase (Projected to start in 2023)

240 Unit Multi-family Building = Planned
177 Unit Multi-family Building with 6,337 sq. feet of retail = Planned
110 Unit Multi-family Senior Building with 4,000 sq. feet of retail = Planned
9-story Office Building with 14,500 sq. feet of retail = Planned
125 Key Hotel = Planned

With Parkside moving and Northeast Heights Phase 2 preparing to break ground later this year, Downtown Ward 7 should reach a critical mass in the next two years.

Northeast Heights Timeline and Phases

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Old 02-18-2022, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Georgia
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Any reason NW east of Georgia isn't mentioned much? I thought they were also mostly black.
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Old 02-19-2022, 11:45 AM
 
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Any reason NW east of Georgia isn't mentioned much? I thought they were also mostly black.
I can't speak for anyone else in the thread. Personally, I haven't focused on NW because that is not where the Black growth is happening. Ward 4 and Ward 5 in NW and NE are definitely still predominantly Black areas with many areas at 60-75% Black, but the growth of those communities is mainly other races whether White, Asian, or Hispanic. When new buildings are built in Ward 4 or Ward 5, they are predominantly leased by other races and condos and renovated homes are being bought predominately by other races.

East of the river is a completely different story though. New apartment and condo buildings in Ward 7 and Ward 8 are overwhelmingly leased and bought by Black professionals. The percentage of Black people leasing and buying units east of the river in Ward 7 and Ward 8 is higher than the percentage of White, Asian, and Hispanic people leasing or buying units west of the river in Ward 1-6. Many times, east of the river neighborhoods are 90-100% Black. This is also true for suburban jurisdiction growth in Prince George's County and Charles County with many neighborhoods also being 90-100% Black.

I have a few friends that live in Petworth, Brookland, Brentwood, and Fort Totten in NW and Upper NE and those areas are most certainly still predominately Black, but the growth in those neighborhoods is being driven by White, Asian, and Hispanic people so I don't know what the long-term future is for those neighborhoods 10-20 years from now.

The most telling stat in this list below is the housing opportunity category. DC is head and shoulders above all other major metropolitan areas for Black homeownership opportunities and Black Ward 7 and Ward 8 homeownership growth combined with Black suburban jurisdiction growth in Prince George's County and Charles County are responsible for that.

Best Cities for Black Professionals, 2022


2022 Best Cities for Black Homeownership Opportunities

1. Palm Bay, FL
2. Charleston, SC
3. Washington D.C.
4. Jackson, MS
5. Raleigh, NC/Columbia, SC (Tie)
7. San Antonio, TX/Augusta, GA (Tie)
9. Lafayette, LA
10. Lakeland, FL
11. Richmond, VA/Baton Rouge, LA (Tie)
13. Birmingham, AL
14. Atlanta, GA
15. Nashville, TN/Philadelphia, PA/Greenville, SC (Tie)
18. Orlando, FL/Baltimore, MD (Tie)
20. Houston, TX
21. Charlotte, NC/Cape Coral, FL (Tie)
23. Jacksonville, FL/New Orleans, LA (Tie)
25. Deltona, FL
26. Austin, TX
27. Memphis, TN
28. Virginia Beach, VA
29. Little Rock, AR
30. Dayton, OH
31. Miami, FL
32. Chattanooga, TN
34. Dallas, TX
35. Detroit, MI

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Old 02-20-2022, 12:29 PM
 
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I can't speak for anyone else in the thread. Personally, I haven't focused on NW because that is not where the Black growth is happening. Ward 4 and Ward 5 in NW and NE are definitely still predominantly Black areas with many areas at 60-75% Black, but the growth of those communities is mainly other races whether White, Asian, or Hispanic. When new buildings are built in Ward 4 or Ward 5, they are predominantly leased by other races and condos and renovated homes are being bought predominately by other races.

East of the river is a completely different story though. New apartment and condo buildings in Ward 7 and Ward 8 are overwhelmingly leased and bought by Black professionals. The percentage of Black people leasing and buying units east of the river in Ward 7 and Ward 8 is higher than the percentage of White, Asian, and Hispanic people leasing or buying units west of the river in Ward 1-6. Many times, east of the river neighborhoods are 90-100% Black. This is also true for suburban jurisdiction growth in Prince George's County and Charles County with many neighborhoods also being 90-100% Black.

I have a few friends that live in Petworth, Brookland, Brentwood, and Fort Totten in NW and Upper NE and those areas are most certainly still predominately Black, but the growth in those neighborhoods is being driven by White, Asian, and Hispanic people so I don't know what the long-term future is for those neighborhoods 10-20 years from now.

The most telling stat in this list below is the housing opportunity category. DC is head and shoulders above all other major metropolitan areas for Black homeownership opportunities and Black Ward 7 and Ward 8 homeownership growth combined with Black suburban jurisdiction growth in Prince George's County and Charles County are responsible for that.

Best Cities for Black Professionals, 2022


2022 Best Cities for Black Homeownership Opportunities

1. Palm Bay, FL
2. Charleston, SC
3. Washington D.C.
4. Jackson, MS
5. Raleigh, NC/Columbia, SC (Tie)
7. San Antonio, TX/Augusta, GA (Tie)
9. Lafayette, LA
10. Lakeland, FL
11. Richmond, VA/Baton Rouge, LA (Tie)
13. Birmingham, AL
14. Atlanta, GA
15. Nashville, TN/Philadelphia, PA/Greenville, SC (Tie)
18. Orlando, FL/Baltimore, MD (Tie)
20. Houston, TX
21. Charlotte, NC/Cape Coral, FL (Tie)
23. Jacksonville, FL/New Orleans, LA (Tie)
25. Deltona, FL
26. Austin, TX
27. Memphis, TN
28. Virginia Beach, VA
29. Little Rock, AR
30. Dayton, OH
31. Miami, FL
32. Chattanooga, TN
34. Dallas, TX
35. Detroit, MI
Charleston at #2??????? That's totally unexpected especially since its Black population is on a slow decline.
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Old 02-20-2022, 12:49 PM
 
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Charleston at #2??????? That's totally unexpected especially since its Black population is on a slow decline.

According to the data in the chart, Charleston has a 53.6% Black homeownership rate, -16.4% difference in Black homeownership rate compared to their counterparts in other races, and a 42.1% cost burden rate which is based on Black households that spend more than 30% of their household income on housing.

Charleston is only bested by Palm Bay which has a 56.3% Black homeownership rate, -19.2% difference in Black homeownership rate compared to their counterparts in other races, and 40.1% cost burden rate which is based on Black households that spend more than 30% of their household income on housing.


Link to data for the study in a spreadsheet
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Old 02-20-2022, 04:24 PM
 
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According to the data in the chart, Charleston has a 53.6% Black homeownership rate, -16.4% difference in Black homeownership rate compared to their counterparts in other races, and a 42.1% cost burden rate which is based on Black households that spend more than 30% of their household income on housing.

Charleston is only bested by Palm Bay which has a 56.3% Black homeownership rate, -19.2% difference in Black homeownership rate compared to their counterparts in other races, and 40.1% cost burden rate which is based on Black households that spend more than 30% of their household income on housing.


Link to data for the study in a spreadsheet
Those are good stats to know, but for Charleston, they are more reflective of the Black folks who remain in the area seeing as though its Black population registered a loss in raw numbers this past Census. When I think of Black homeownership opportunities, I think of how accessible home ownership is to first-time prospective Black homeowners, or, as something of a shorthand, Black homeownership rates among Millenials.

But is something going on in Palm Bay that we don't know about? Is it a desired location for more affluent Black retirees or something?
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