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Kindly inform the Census Bureau of this; according to their numbers,
the DC metro area by itself is larger than the Atlanta area by about a quarter-million:
Aha... the hazards of parachuting into a CD discussion.
Does the Atlanta area sprawl that much? Does GA have large counties?
GA has multiple counties. More than any other state accept TX i believe. Its a big state as well but yes Atlanta has been known to sprawl but in recent years gotten accolades for the reversal of the sprawl
Meanin what?Its nit as dense?Atlanta metro sizeis one of the largest in the world so yes Im well aware. Thats no new news
Meaning the growth and population of the DC/Baltimore CSA is what you should be comparing when looking at population and growth. You compared DC’s MSA to Atlanta’s MSA which is not an accurate comparison pound for pound.
I like how you continue to use LA, NYC, SF and Boston against DC as opposed to using Atlanta.
To be fair, it was MDAllStar who introduced those other cities to the discussion in comparison to Atlanta, which isn't at all apples-to-apples in the context of this discussion. DC is more comparable to them though so that seems fair.
Meaning the growth and population of the DC/Baltimore CSA is what you should be comparing when looking at population and growth. You compared DC’s MSA to Atlanta’s MSA which is not an accurate comparison pound for pound.
Now this is an instance where I'd agree with KodeBlue that Baltimore is being included here simply to boost DC for competitive purposes. MSA-to-MSA is going to be the most accurate pound-for-pound comparison to make here considering DC's and Atlanta's different geographies and proximity to other large metros. Realistically, portions of Howard and Anne Arundel counties could be added for DC also but that would probably be the farthest extent that anything outside of the official MSA should be included.
Now if the OP specifically included Baltimore here, it would certainly be expected to include it but that's not the case.
We know that DC is more structurally dense than Atlanta. DC predates the of the automobile. All of that other stuff like being a shopping destination can be said for DC; it's a wash. Say I wanted to live in a condo in a skyscraper overlooking the city. I am a bit of a skyscraper enthusiast, and I'd like to know, which city has the tallest skyscrapers of the 2 cities?
I think this plays a part in what CleverOne was getting at. No one here disagrees that DC is quite a bit more urban than Atlanta overall and that anyone who puts a high premium on living in an urban environment will in all likelihood choose DC 9.5 times out of 10. But for someone who can move anywhere in the country that wants to live in a traditionally urban city first and foremost and isn't constrained by employment, I'd actually be a little surprised if that person picked DC over NYC, Chicago, SF, Philadelphia, and Boston and it would be because of DC's uniqueness as the purpose-built nation's capital that it is. Of the six, I only really perceive NYC, SF, and Chicago to be urban "lifestyle cities" where a significant number of people express a desire to live there apart from practical considerations (LA is a lifestyle city as well but not so much in an urban context but for just about everything else). Boston, DC, and Philadelphia strike me as cities where their urbanity and practical considerations like employment are either given equal weight or the latter outweighs the former by a tad for most folks.
For the purpose of the subject of this thread, Philadelphia makes for a really good option that's almost like a blend of Atlanta in some respects (highrises, grittier quality, more traditional CBD, culturally creative) and DC in others (density, transit, walkability, Bos-Wash location).
Now this is an instance where I'd agree with KodeBlue that Baltimore is being included here simply to boost DC for competitive purposes. MSA-to-MSA is going to be the most accurate pound-for-pound comparison to make here considering DC's and Atlanta's different geographies and proximity to other large metros. Realistically, portions of Howard and Anne Arundel counties could be added for DC also but that would probably be the farthest extent that anything outside of the official MSA should be included.
Now if the OP specifically included Baltimore here, it would certainly be expected to include it but that's not the case.
No, my point is you can’t try to include growth for an area half the size of a state and then try to compare it to an area that has continuous development all the way to New York City.
I think this plays a part in what CleverOne was getting at. No one here disagrees that DC is quite a bit more urban than Atlanta overall and that anyone who puts a high premium on living in an urban environment will in all likelihood choose DC 9.5 times out of 10. But for someone who can move anywhere in the country that wants to live in a traditionally urban city first and foremost and isn't constrained by employment, I'd actually be a little surprised if that person picked DC over NYC, Chicago, SF, Philadelphia, and Boston and it would be because of DC's uniqueness as the purpose-built nation's capital that it is. Of the six, I only really perceive NYC, SF, and Chicago to be urban "lifestyle cities" where a significant number of people express a desire to live there apart from practical considerations (LA is a lifestyle city as well but not so much in an urban context but for just about everything else). Boston, DC, and Philadelphia strike me as cities where their urbanity and practical considerations like employment are either given equal weight or the latter outweighs the former by a tad for most folks.
For the purpose of the subject of this thread, Philadelphia makes for a really good option that's almost like a blend of Atlanta in some respects (highrises, grittier quality, more traditional CBD, culturally creative) and DC in others (density, transit, walkability, Bos-Wash location).
Why do you perceive that? Is it simply because these cities are bigger or denser? I'm asking because my definition of urban pertains more to walkability than density. I don't particularly care about tall buildings and packed areas, I just want to be able to walk to restaurants and grocery stores with good transit options.
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I think this plays a part in what CleverOne was getting at. No one here disagrees that DC is quite a bit more urban than Atlanta overall and that anyone who puts a high premium on living in an urban environment will in all likelihood choose DC 9.5 times out of 10. But for someone who can move anywhere in the country that wants to live in a traditionally urban city first and foremost and isn't constrained by employment, I'd actually be a little surprised if that person picked DC over NYC, Chicago, SF, Philadelphia, and Boston and it would be because of DC's uniqueness as the purpose-built nation's capital that it is. Of the six, I only really perceive NYC, SF, and Chicago to be urban "lifestyle cities" where a significant number of people express a desire to live there apart from practical considerations (LA is a lifestyle city as well but not so much in an urban context but for just about everything else). Boston, DC, and Philadelphia strike me as cities where their urbanity and practical considerations like employment are either given equal weight or the latter outweighs the former by a tad for most folks.
For the purpose of the subject of this thread, Philadelphia makes for a really good option that's almost like a blend of Atlanta in some respects (highrises, grittier quality, more traditional CBD, culturally creative) and DC in others (density, transit, walkability, Bos-Wash location).
That's interesting when you have the fastest growing city proper, and metro area by percentage of all of those being DC.
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