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Just ran the numbers and Houston metro has 250K more black people than Dallas metro.
What also makes Houston seem "blacker" on the surface are a couple things:
1. Because of its proximity, Houston's culture has more of a deep south connection, where the culture is more heavily influenced by black people since they make up a plurality if not majority of the population in that region. Dallas, conversely, has more of a hybrid Western / Midwestern connection, where the culture is more heavily influenced by people of European descent.
2. The racial wealth/economic disparity is much greater in Dallas than Houston. Houston has Dallas beat when it comes to good-paying blue collar jobs and healthcare, which are both occupational areas where black people tend to make up a larger share of the labor force. Thus, you're more likely to run to "ordinary" black people doing well for themselves in Houston than Dallas.
Can you post your sources of the numbers you had run? That doesn’t seem correct. I thought the gap was 50,000 or less not 250,000.
Granted, the numbers for Houston seem to be from 2013 or 2014.
Yeah that’s definitely not right. I think the 876,000 is closer to the Dallas division of the entire DFW metroplex. But the entire MSA has more than 876,000. All numbers have DFW at around 40-50k less than Houston.
According to black demographics using the 2017 data, Houston black population was 1,141,697 and DFW is 1,093,212.
Yeah that’s definitely not right. I think the 876,000 is closer to the Dallas division of the entire DFW metroplex. But the entire MSA has more than 876,000. All numbers have DFW at around 40-50k less than Houston.
According to black demographics using the 2017 data, Houston black population was 1,141,697 and DFW is 1,093,212.
Looking at the link I posted for Dallas again, yes, your number seems to be right.
Where are you getting that number for Houston?
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Just to bring the correct demographics in, here are the most recent demographics for all three metro areas:
Dallas/Fort Worth/Arlington MSA:
White - 45.6% - 3,441,796
Hispanic - 29.0% - 2,189,777
Black - 15.6% - 1,177,026
Asian - 7.0% - 531,356
Houston/The Woodlands/Sugar Land MSA:
Hispanic - 37.6% - 2,632,586
White - 35.5% - 2,482,842
Black - 17.0% - 1,188,134
Asian - 7.9% - 547,690
Atlanta/Sandy Springs/Roswell MSA:
White - 46.4% - 2,760,176
Black - 33.8% - 2,009,862
Hispanic - 10.9% - 646,761
Asian - 6.1% - 363,274
Here is how fast they grew from 2013-2018 by black population. Atlanta, DFW, and Houston were the top three in the US so Ive included other metro areas to put them in perspective. These three metro areas are easily the most favored in the US in terms of black growth:
I cannot speak to which is best for black people or which feels more black, but DFW will definitely pass Greater Houston for the largest black population in the state very soon. Atlanta will remain unchallenged. Having said that, a lot of times people use the word "diverse" when they really mean "black". Atlanta is less diverse than DFW and especially Houston. But its obviously more black.
Bro, I know youve been agonizing over this decision. I can tell from the number of thread youve posted in the different forums. I know first hand this is not easy. However, based on what youve outlined above, I think the clear winner is Atlanta. I say that based on these two statement you made:
"Best city for both of our careers"
"Our favorite city out of the 3"
The cons for Atlanta seem to almost entirely be centered around fear of being apart from family. In my opinion, that isnt enough to outweigh what is best for your future. Your family will come visit you and you can come back to Texas to visit family. Its only a 1.5 hour flight. Plus with the advent of things like Facetime and Zoom, your family can see you visually every day if they want. My family is still in Los Angeles except for my mom in Waco and some cousins in Longview. We still talk and are still close and when things were better I could fly and see them.
Bear in mind the fist year of your life after you move will suck. It just will. Youll have moments of regret, itll create tension in your marriage, and youll ask yourself why you uprooted to make life more difficult. But after that youll be situated in the city of your choice, youll reconnect with old friends, youll probably own a home, and things will become much more comfortable. Thats exactly what happened to us when we came here from LA. The first year was awful and my wife and I fought all the time. But now, there is no way in hell you could convince us to go back to California. This is home now and we dont ever want to leave Texas. If Atlanta is your favorite city of the three with the best career options, you will feel that way too. Two years after the move youll ask yourself why you didnt do it sooner!
I honestly think the answer is staring you in the face, but you just want someone to say it for you.
Just to bring the correct demographics in, here are the most recent demographics for all three metro areas:
Dallas/Fort Worth/Arlington MSA:
White - 45.6% - 3,441,796
Hispanic - 29.0% - 2,189,777
Black - 15.6% - 1,177,026
Asian - 7.0% - 531,356
Houston/The Woodlands/Sugar Land MSA:
Hispanic - 37.6% - 2,632,586
White - 35.5% - 2,482,842
Black - 17.0% - 1,188,134
Asian - 7.9% - 547,690
Atlanta/Sandy Springs/Roswell MSA:
White - 46.4% - 2,760,176
Black - 33.8% - 2,009,862
Hispanic - 10.9% - 646,761
Asian - 6.1% - 363,274
Here is how fast they grew from 2013-2018 by black population. Atlanta, DFW, and Houston were the top three in the US so Ive included other metro areas to put them in perspective. These three metro areas are easily the most favored in the US in terms of black growth:
I cannot speak to which is best for black people or which feels more black, but DFW will definitely pass Greater Houston for the largest black population in the state very soon. Atlanta will remain unchallenged. Having said that, a lot of times people use the word "diverse" when they really mean "black". Atlanta is less diverse than DFW and especially Houston. But its obviously more black.
Thanks for this. This is what I was thinking of when I made my statement. I believe these numbers are from 2 years ago. DFW has A faster growing black population and overall metro population growth. I imagine it has already passed Houston metro.
Just to bring the correct demographics in, here are the most recent demographics for all three metro areas:
Dallas/Fort Worth/Arlington MSA:
White - 45.6% - 3,441,796
Hispanic - 29.0% - 2,189,777
Black - 15.6% - 1,177,026
Asian - 7.0% - 531,356
Houston/The Woodlands/Sugar Land MSA:
Hispanic - 37.6% - 2,632,586
White - 35.5% - 2,482,842
Black - 17.0% - 1,188,134
Asian - 7.9% - 547,690
Atlanta/Sandy Springs/Roswell MSA:
White - 46.4% - 2,760,176
Black - 33.8% - 2,009,862
Hispanic - 10.9% - 646,761
Asian - 6.1% - 363,274
Here is how fast they grew from 2013-2018 by black population. Atlanta, DFW, and Houston were the top three in the US so Ive included other metro areas to put them in perspective. These three metro areas are easily the most favored in the US in terms of black growth:
I cannot speak to which is best for black people or which feels more black, but DFW will definitely pass Greater Houston for the largest black population in the state very soon. Atlanta will remain unchallenged. Having said that, a lot of times people use the word "diverse" when they really mean "black". Atlanta is less diverse than DFW and especially Houston. But its obviously more black.
Atlanta is so white.
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