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Seems to me that Houston is slowly if not already starting to have the most diverse Hispanic population west of the Mississippi. In fact, west of Appalachia and Florida.
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Something I think that its easy to overlook is the foreign born Mexican decline. Cities whose Hispanic community is over 80% Mexican may notice their Hispanic numbers stagnating for this reason. While this isnt uniform across all cities, a trend is emerging. Per the numbers below, DFW seems to be the only exception. I didnt include the Bay Area in the below because the boundaries have changed making a YOY comparison impossible.
All numbers represent growth or decline between 2018-2019 and these numbers are foreign born only. Domestic born Hispanics are not considered in this post. I used Mexico for the major Mexican MSA to determine their population losses or gains but also balanced with Cubans in Miami, Salvadorans in DC, and Dominicans in NYC. When foreign Mexican population is considered, the Central America numbers include all countries in Central America but Mexico:
Los Angeles MSA:
Foreign Born Hispanic Decline: -33,457
Foreign Born Mexican Decline: -43,347
Foreign Born Central America Decline: -10,771
Foreign Born South American Growth: 16,317
Foreign Born Hispanic Caribbean Decline: -532
New York City MSA:
Foreign Born Hispanic Decline: -47,737
Foreign Born Dominican Decline: -33,864
Foreign Born Central America Decline: -1,074
Foreign Born South America Decline: -14,854
Foreign Born Cuban Decline: -131
Miami/Fort Lauderdale MSA:
Foreign Born Hispanic Growth: 13,380
Foreign Born Cuban Growth: 5,821
Foreign Born Central America Decline: -1,946
Foreign Born South America Growth: 4,807
Foreign Born Dominican Decline: -6,363
Houston MSA
Foreign Born Hispanic Growth: 34,774
Foreign Born Mexican Decline: -7,558
Foreign Born Central America Growth: 19,593
Foreign Born South America Growth: 10,480
Foreign Born Hispanic Caribbean Growth: 2,866
Riverside MSA
Foreign Born Hispanic Growth: 2,848
Foreign Born Mexican Decline: -1,830
Foreign Born Central America Growth: 6,884
Foreign Born South America Decline: -845
Foreign Born Hispanic Caribbean Decline: -831
Dallas/Fort Worth MSA
Foreign Born Hispanic Growth: 11,604
Foreign Born Mexican Growth: 18,269
Foreign Born Central America Growth: 4,726
Foreign Born South America Decline: -4,310
Foreign Born Hispanic Caribbean Decline: 2,163
Chicago MSA
Foreign Born Hispanic Decline: -14,508
Foreign Born Mexican Decline: -29,982
Foreign Born Central America Growth: 11,353
Foreign Born South America Growth: 7,320
Foreign Born Hispanic Caribbean Decline: -301
Phoenix MSA
Foreign Born Hispanic Decline: -1,617
Foreign Born Mexican Decline: -12,141
Foreign Born Central America Growth: 7,511
Foreign Born South America Growth: 2,321
Foreign Born Hispanic Caribbean Growth: 890
San Diego MSA:
Foreign Born Hispanic Decline: -34,312
Foreign Born Mexican Decline: -30,448
Foreign Born Central America Decline: -1,506
Foreign Born South America Decline: -1,758
Foreign Born Hispanic Caribbean Decline: -1,611
Washington DC MSA
Foreign Born Hispanic Growth: 19,155
Foreign Born Salvadoran Growth: 7,756
Foreign Born Central America Growth: 24,337
Foreign Born South America Decline: -6,556 Foreign Born Caribbean Decline: -2,850
Orlando MSA
Foreign Born Hispanic Growth: 19,376
Foreign Born Central America Growth: 4,633
Foreign Born South America Growth: 6,405
Foreign Born Hispanic Caribbean Growth: 4,449
Since you're so good at this, and so detailed with this, I'm going to dissect you/this...
For DC is that actually the foreign born Hispanic Caribbean decline? or Caribbean decline overall?
Arabs are often them most overlooked group in the US. The census and ACS count them as "white" but thats not accurate I dont believe. I wish they would be counted as "Asian" because they are West Asian ancestry.
Anyway, here are the largest Arab/Assyrian/Chaldean/Syriac communities as of 2019. I listed those over 10,000:
Detroit: 185,108
New York City: 173,493
Chicago: 83,612
Los Angeles: 75,729
Washington DC: 57,931
Houston: 41,718
Dallas/Fort Worth: 41,489
San Diego: 39,056
Riverside: 31,544
San Francisco: 30,839
Boston: 30,345
Nashville: 26,365
Phoenix: 25,804
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 24,106
Atlanta: 21,132
Cleveland: 20,504
Tampa: 19,489
Seattle/Tacoma: 19,432
Orlando: 15,920
Austin: 12,196
Minneapolis/St. Paul: 10,705
Columbus: 10,569
San Jose: 10,196
Charlotte: 10,110
Below is the number of ethnic groups with more than 10,000 foreign born residents in each metro. Ill also do one for 25,000 to determine scale. If for example a MSA has the number 10 next to it, that means there are 10 nationalities with more than 10,000/25,000 residents. Here is the list.
Number of Nationalities with more than 10,000 residents by MSA:
New York: 65
Los Angeles: 38
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 32
Washington DC: 30
Chicago: 25
Boston: 22
Houston: 22
San Francisco: 21
Atlanta: 21
Dallas/Fort Worth: 20
Philadelphia: 18
Seattle/Tacoma: 16
Detroit: 14
Orlando: 13
San Diego: 11
Minneapolis/St. Paul: 10
Riverside: 9
San Jose: 8
Denver: 8
Phoenix: 8
Las Vegas: 7
Number of Nationalities with more than 25,000 residents by MSA:
New York: 41
Los Angeles: 17
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 16
Houston: 13
Washington DC: 13
San Francisco: 9
Chicago: 9
Dallas/Fort Worth: 8
Boston: 8
Orlando: 7
Atlanta: 7
Seattle/Tacoma: 7
Detroit: 6
San Jose: 6
Philadelphia: 5
Riverside: 5
Las Vegas: 4
Phoenix: 4
Minneapolis/St. Paul: 4
Denver: 1
Because I know it will be asked, I did some for a few CSAs too. They are below. I only measured those over 25k for these.
Over 10k would be meaningless given how geographically huge these areas are:
Los Angeles/Riverside: 24
Washington/Baltimore: 19
San Jose/San Francisco: 16
Boston/Providence/Manchester: 12
As for which is the better metric for defining diversity, Id say it depends. For the larger metro areas, the number over 25k is definitely better. Having 10k immigrants in a place like Chicago of the Bay Area CSA doesnt amount to much. The bar needs to be higher. But for metro areas like Minneapolis or Las Vegas, 10k should be sufficient to impact the community.
Another one that is hard to gauge is Miami. EVERY...SINGLE...ONE of 17 nationalities represented there over 25,000 is from Latin America/Caribbean. Even though its third on the list of number of nationalities over 25k, I do not believe it is the 3rd most diverse metro area in the US.
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Below is the number of ethnic groups with more than 10,000 foreign born residents in each metro. Ill also do one for 25,000 to determine scale. If for example a MSA has the number 10 next to it, that means there are 10 nationalities with more than 10,000/25,000 residents. Here is the list.
Number of Nationalities with more than 10,000 residents by MSA:
New York: 65
Los Angeles: 38
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 32
Washington DC: 30
Chicago: 25
Boston: 22
Houston: 22
San Francisco: 21
Atlanta: 21
Dallas/Fort Worth: 20
Philadelphia: 18
Seattle/Tacoma: 16
Detroit: 14
Orlando: 13
San Diego: 11
Minneapolis/St. Paul: 10
San Jose: 8
Denver: 8
Phoenix: 8
Las Vegas: 7
Number of Nationalities with more than 25,000 residents by MSA:
New York: 41
Los Angeles: 17
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 16
Houston: 13
Washington DC: 13
San Francisco: 9
Chicago: 9
Dallas/Fort Worth: 8
Boston: 8
Orlando: 7
Atlanta: 7
Seattle/Tacoma: 7
Detroit: 6
San Jose: 6
Philadelphia: 5
Las Vegas: 4
Phoenix: 4
Minneapolis/St. Paul: 4
Denver: 1
Because I know it will be asked, I did some for a few CSAs too. They are below. I only measured those over 25k for these.
Over 10k would be meaningless given how geographically huge these areas are:
Los Angeles/Riverside: 24
Washington/Baltimore: 19
San Jose/San Francisco: 16
Boston/Providence/Manchester: 12
As for which is the better metric for defining diversity, Id say it depends. For the larger metro areas, the number over 25k is definitely better. Having 10k immigrants in a place like Chicago of the Bay Area CSA doesnt amount to much. The bar needs to be higher. But for metro areas like Minneapolis or Las Vegas, 10k should be sufficient to impact the community.
Great work.
These are some of the more relevant numbers posted in this thread. All that "foreign language speakers" total by CSA/MSA means little when you have 79-85% of your foreign born population speaking the same language.
Edit: that was the other thread...This does do a good job of highlighting nationalities from different immigrant groups however.
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These are some of the more relevant numbers posted in this thread. All that "foreign language speakers" total by CSA/MSA means little when you have 79-85% of your foreign born population speaking the same language.
I do think nationality is a better measure than foreign language speakers. The reason is that many cultures that have almost nothing in common speak the same language. For example, Argentina and Honduras both speak Spanish and are mainly Catholic but thats where their similarities end. The have different customs, food, cultural norms, and mannerisms. Same with the US and Nigeria. English is the most common language, but nothing else in common. Even Mexico is different from El Salvador.
Thats why its good to look at where those language speakers come from.
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I do think nationality is a better measure than foreign language speakers. The reason is that many cultures that have almost nothing in common speak the same language. For example, Argentina and Honduras both speak Spanish and are mainly Catholic but thats where their similarities end. The have different customs, food, cultural norms, and mannerisms. Same with the US and Nigeria. English is the most common language, but nothing else in common. Even Mexico is different from El Salvador.
Thats why its good to look at where those language speakers come from.
Totally agree, diversity is a whole lot deeper than that. Within Latin America alone you can see those differences like you mentioned.
Based on the data, I think the most diverse metro areas (in order) are as follows:
1) NYC - this is self explanatory
2) Los Angeles - I just barely give LA the number two spot. An argument could be made to place DC.
3) Washington DC - DC is actually a lot more we’ll rounded in its immigration profile than LA, but it’s hard to argue with LA’s massive immigration base.
4) San Jose/San Francisco - when grouped together, the Bay Area is amazingly diverse though it is lackluster in Africa and South America. It’s a comfortable 4th place here.
5) Miami - Miami’s immigrant portfolio is huge, but extremely one sided. That’s why I cannot rank it above DC or SF despite it being larger all the way around.
6) Houston - Houston has a very well rounded portfolio of immigrants. For a time, I think Chicago would have occupied this space, but given Chicago’s decline of foreign born residents and Houston’s expansion of them, I think Houston is at home with the 5 spot.
7) Chicago - Like I said above, I think 10 years ago Chicago was ahead of Houston. But based on the 2019 numbers, I don’t think that’s the case anymore.
8) Boston: Boston’s numbers really bloom when considering CSA, but are still impressive as is.
9 and 10) Dallas and Atlanta: I couldn’t decided which was more diverse. They seem almost evenly matched.
The next four in order would be Seattle, Orlando, Detroit, and Philly. It’s grainy after that.
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