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Responding to the posts above, I just don't think that row houses/terrace housing is very special. They're more a way to maximize developer profits that would be diminished with property separation. Row house neighborhoods with mixed commercial activity are more urban than similar neighborhoods with detached housing or neighborhoods with a mix of apartments and detached homes that lack commercial activities.
But compare a row house neighborhood to a neighborhood that is a mix of multi and single family homes that achieves a greater density of residents and amenities (areas of Seattle come to mind) and I prefer the latter and consider it more urban.
Responding to the posts above, I just don't think that row houses/terrace housing is very special. They're more a way to maximize developer profits that would be diminished with property separation. Row house neighborhoods with mixed commercial activity are more urban than similar neighborhoods with detached housing or neighborhoods with a mix of apartments and detached homes that lack commercial activities.
But compare a row house neighborhood to a neighborhood that is a mix of multi and single family homes that achieves a greater density of residents and amenities (areas of Seattle come to mind) and I prefer the latter and consider it more urban.
That doesn't seem like an fair analogous comparison.
There are rowhome neighborhoods with apartments mixed in that are amenity rich, and at parity will almost univerally have greater density. Why aren't you comparing those neighborhoods to ones in Seattle?
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Compare a rowhome neighborhood vs. SFH neighborhood vs. apartment neighborhood.
That doesn't seem like an fair analogous comparison.
There are rowhome neighborhoods with apartments mixed in that are amenity rich, and at parity will almost univerally have greater density. Why aren't you comparing those neighborhoods to ones in Seattle?
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Compare a rowhome neighborhood vs. SFH neighborhood vs. apartment neighborhood.
Yeah, I get your point and agree. The post that I initially quoted had stated that row house neighborhoods were more urban than neighborhoods that are a mix of apartments and detached homes. Probably true in general but it's not because row houses are super special. At least not to me.
Yeah, I get your point and agree. The post that I initially quoted had stated that row house neighborhoods were more urban than neighborhoods that are a mix of apartments and detached homes. Probably true in general but it's not because row houses are super special. At least not to me.
Philly & Baltimore are the only major city that have them in spades (NYC & DC to a degree) while SF has a similar housing style in it's "painted ladies."
They are special in the context of housing style. Virtually every other major city in the US regardless of region is almost exclusively SFH or apartments. It's not by chance that all the cities I just named dropped are the usual suspects on "most urban cities etc..." threads.
That doesn't seem like an fair analogous comparison.
There are rowhome neighborhoods with apartments mixed in that are amenity rich, and at parity will almost univerally have greater density. Why aren't you comparing those neighborhoods to ones in Seattle?
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Compare a rowhome neighborhood vs. SFH neighborhood vs. apartment neighborhood.
Baltimore appears to have ZERO really dense neighborhoods. I'm poking around the core districts on the Census 2020 density maps by tract, and they seemed to top out at around 35,000.
Unless I missed something, Baltimore's #1 densest tract would have ranked #20 in Seattle in 2020.
Philly & Baltimore are the only major city that have them in spades (NYC & DC to a degree) while SF has a similar housing style in it's "painted ladies."
They are special in the context of housing style. Virtually every other major city in the US regardless of region is almost exclusively SFH or apartments. It's not by chance that all the cities I just named dropped are the usual suspects on "most urban cities etc..." threads.
Are they though? Philly is for sure but Baltimore is debatable. If not, it's only because the bar is so low in the US.
There's few statistics more meaningless than single census tracts population density. They aren't uniformed sizes and they don't mean anything in relation to 50 squares of a city. Not sure why they are brought up in the discussion. I visited LA again a couple months ago, and I have a hard time agreeing there is any 50 sq mile part that belongs anywhere near this conversation.
A neighborhood of 100% low-rise apartments crammed together, gated, and isolated from each other. A few blocks away are single family homes and the density drops below 4k.
Density is definitely not equal to urbanity.
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