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Chicago is not 'by far' ahead of SF in this regard-in fact, SF is more compact with 500+ stores within blocks of each other in downtown.'
This was from a thread on this topic like 10 years ago...I looked up stores in DT SF at that time and came up with this:
Uniqlo was new back then LOL
These are just the stores I found---there are many I didnt but this is most Im sure. Obviously retail is volatile and there are always changes, so this is out of date, but it's not that much different.
Uniqlo sells shirts for $10... nice store but doesn’t fit the high end bill. Based on just the brands we have listwd here, I have will have the list out sometime today. Of course then I’m sure people will find new brands that fit, but we have them. Moving!
I agree though, SF is just as high as NY and CHI in “traditional CBD” shopping
Chicago is not 'by far' ahead of SF in this regard-in fact, SF is more compact with 500+ stores within blocks of each other in downtown.'
This was from a thread on this topic like 10 years ago...I looked up stores in DT SF at that time and came up with this:
Uniqlo was new back then LOL
These are just the stores I found---there are many I didnt but this is most Im sure. Obviously retail is volatile and there are always changes, so this is out of date, but it's not that much different.
That’s neat but you don’t have comparable numbers for Chicago? And obviously many of these stores are not high end. I could probably compile a list of 500 store in downtown Boston or Phila if I took the time I dunno
Uniqlo sells shirts for $10... nice store but doesn’t fit the high end bill.
LOL true but this was back when there were only 2 or 3 stores in the US and it had a lot of buzz...oh, what about Supreme? That's seems to be a very desirable street brand these days with stand alone stores.
That’s neat but you don’t have comparable numbers for Chicago?
I dont have to, 500+ retail stores within blocks of each other is massive for any downtown in the US, it's unheard of apart from 3-4(Boston is the only 1 im not sure about) CBDs at the most. For sure, NY, Chicago and SF, after that idk.
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And obviously many of these stores are not high end.
Yes but many of them are, including many high end flagships and Bloomingdales, Neiman Marcus, Nordstrom and Saks Fifth Avenue, all within steps from each other-literally.
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I could probably compile a list of 500 store in downtown Boston or Phila...
I dont have to, 500+ retail stores within blocks of each other is massive for any downtown in the US, it's unheard of apart from 3-4(Boston is the only 1 im not sure about) CBDs at the most. For sure, NY, Chicago and SF, after that idk.
Yes but many of them are, including many high end flagships and Bloomingdales, Neiman Marcus, Nordstrom and Saks Fifth Avenue, all within steps from each other-literally.
Please do.
I’m definitely not doing that. 1-it’s not worth my time 2-no agreed upon definition fo downtown Boston.
It also disregards Boston’s large pedestrian only downtown shopping strict Downtown Crossing home to Forever 21, Macy’s, Primark, Old Navy Bath and Body Works Expressions etc etc etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downtown_Crossing
That’s not counting Faneuil Hall Market place which is home to 100+ stores.
I haven’t looked at low end Chinatown not adjacent to Newbury Street- Boylston Street, or the Corner Mall (a low end mall in downtown crossing) .
So we’re already well over 500 stores in Downtown is Boston. Probably much more. All within a 15 minute walk of each other.
While not technically in Boston Cambridge side is a 12 minute walk from the Science Park/West End (downtown) MBTA station and has 80 stores in a 3 floor mall along the Charles River. https://goo.gl/maps/m537yHtAAcsM2R5X7
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It also disregards Boston’s large pedestrian only downtown shopping strict Downtown Crossing home to Forever 21, Macy’s, Primark, Old Navy Bath and Body Works Expressions etc etc etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downtown_Crossing
That’s not counting Faneuil Hall Market place which is home to 100+ stores.
I haven’t looked at low end Chinatown not adjacent to Newbury Street- Boylston Street, or the Corner Mall (a low end mall in downtown crossing)
So we’re already well over 500 stores in Downtown is Boston. Probably much more. All within a 15 minute walk of each other.
While not technically in Boston Cambridge side is a 12 minute walk from the Science Park/West End (downtown) MBTA station and has 80 stores in a 3 floor mall along the Charles River. https://goo.gl/maps/m537yHtAAcsM2R5X7
Right, so how is all of this far behind Chicago? It makes more sense to put this rare breed of downtown into a single tier imo.
Right, so how is all of this far behind Chicago? It makes more sense to put this rare breed of downtown into a single tier imo.
I’m going simply based off scale of the city. By no means is my list perfect. But I’m assuming Boston and SF are lower than Chicago. I could be wrong.
Boston is probably underrated in the shopping profile because many, if not most, stores in Newbury street have relatively low key signage and are a apart of older rowhomes. And that’s just how Boston rolls. Then there are a ton of the stores inside of malls within the Downtown area where they are overlooked on foot- even if they are very nice attractive malls inside with lovely views. This is necessary due to the weather in Boston.
And if I was able to so quickly find evidence of 500+ retail stores downtown. It’s probably not a good delineator between SF and others. I feel like we could maybe do the same for Philly or DC. I don’t know-but we’ve al sort of agreed Chicago is “up there” already
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I’m going simply based off scale of the city. By no means is my list perfect. But I’m assuming Boston and SF are lower than Chicago. I could be wrong.
Boston is probably underrated in the shopping profile because many, if not most, stores in Newbury street have relatively low key signage and are a apart of older rowhomes. And that’s just how Boston rolls. Then there are a ton of the stores inside of malls within the Downtown area where they are overlooked on foot- even if they are very nice attractive malls inside with lovely views. This is necessary due to the weather in Boston.
And if I was able to so quickly find evidence of 500+ retail stores downtown. It’s probably not a good delineator between SF and others. I feel like we could maybe do the same for Philly or DC. I don’t know-but we’ve al sort of agreed Chicago is “up there” already
I think it will be interesting over the next decade to see how clothing retail changes from brick and mortar. I think retail has become an experiential outing with everything going online. I think by 2030, this conversation will move toward first floor food and beverage retail under residential as Amazon takes an even larger chunk out of the retail experience. Only high-end retail will continue to have a large presence in my opinion.
I’m going to post it at some point this afternoon. I will start out posting New York, LA, Miami, Vegas, Chicago, Houston, Dallas, SF Bay, DC, Atlanta, Boston, Philly and Phoenix/Scottsdale. And maybe Seattle. The rest in the contiguous USA are too far behind.
It also disregards Boston’s large pedestrian only downtown shopping strict Downtown Crossing home to Forever 21, Macy’s, Primark, Old Navy Bath and Body Works Expressions etc etc etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downtown_Crossing
That’s not counting Faneuil Hall Market place which is home to 100+ stores.
I haven’t looked at low end Chinatown not adjacent to Newbury Street- Boylston Street, or the Corner Mall (a low end mall in downtown crossing) .
So we’re already well over 500 stores in Downtown is Boston. Probably much more. All within a 15 minute walk of each other.
While not technically in Boston Cambridge side is a 12 minute walk from the Science Park/West End (downtown) MBTA station and has 80 stores in a 3 floor mall along the Charles River. https://goo.gl/maps/m537yHtAAcsM2R5X7
Other areas would be seaport and Charles st beacon hill but again (what is downtown Boston?)
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