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Old 12-04-2020, 04:27 PM
 
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So I would say it’s a combinations of

1) Big Buisnesses

2) Endowed amenities (museums, Ballets etc.

3) Concentrated wealthy neighborhoods

4) Elite Universities

5) “statement” architecture this is things like Grand Central, Botanical Gardens, Philly City Hall of the Boston Public Library Public to Semi-Public buildings meant to give a sense of Grandure to a place

Inner suburbs are acceptable but they must directly border the city limits.

 
Old 12-04-2020, 04:30 PM
 
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Minneapolis St. Paul
St. Louis
Cleveland
Cincinnati
 
Old 12-05-2020, 07:55 AM
 
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I would rank St Louis first followed by CLE, MSP and then CIN. What sets it further apart in my opinion is it's edge in cultural amenities, elite higher education and architecture.
 
Old 12-05-2020, 08:00 AM
 
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Minneapolis
St. Louis
Cleveland
Cincinnati
 
Old 12-05-2020, 09:34 AM
 
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Minneapolis
Cincinnati
Cleveland
St. Louis
 
Old 12-05-2020, 10:07 AM
 
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Minneapolis St. Paul
St. Louis
Cleveland
Cincinnati
 
Old 12-05-2020, 11:26 AM
 
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Minneapolis, then St. Louis.
 
Old 02-04-2021, 01:05 AM
 
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Originally Posted by btownboss4 View Post
So I would say it’s a combinations of

1) Big Buisnesses

2) Endowed amenities (museums, Ballets etc.

3) Concentrated wealthy neighborhoods

4) Elite Universities

5) “statement” architecture this is things like Grand Central, Botanical Gardens, Philly City Hall of the Boston Public Library Public to Semi-Public buildings meant to give a sense of Grandure to a place

Inner suburbs are acceptable but they must directly border the city limits.
Of these 4, I'd have no doubt that it'd be a tossup between Minneapolis-Saint Paul and Saint Louis, as my number 1 of these 4. After those 2 I'd pick Cleveland at 3, then Cincinnati at 4.

Damn, since to me it's hard to pick a number 1 between the Twin Cities and Saint Louis. Both have light rail systems that are serviceable(with service even to their main airport), have good museums, established colleges(StL has Washington University and Saint Louis University, MSP/Twin Cities has University of Minnesota and MacAlester(sp?) College), to name some things.

Although I LOVE juicy lucy burgers a lot, and that might inch a tiny bit ahead of St. Louis' regional food lol. Don't get me wrong, I do still like toasted ravioli and gooey butter cake a lot, though. I just haven't tried provel style pizza yet, like what Imo's often serves. I'd like to try that at least once in my lifetime, even though it seems lol that there's so much internet hate for that. That said, I am NOT going to try that, until I finally try that for myself.

That said, there always was something about St. Louis' history that I always really was fascinated with, and maybe it's grittiness? Minneapolis might be a little more polished in some ways, but both cities really are great. I guess I'd give a slight #1 edge to the Twin Cities, since I think more flights go into that airport vs. Lambert in StL. Also since Twin Cities shopping options, probably edge out St. Louis' shopping options slightly.

Cleveland would be #3 for me, since I get the sense that there's a tad more cultural stuff there vs. Cincinnati. That said Cincy isn't that much worser than Cleveland, and still has a LOT of very good things going for it as well. And I REALLY do like the Over the Rhine neighborhood, Eden Park, Fountain Square, Carew Tower, to name a few things I really like there. Also, I do REALLY like Cincy style chili(i.e. Skyline Chili) A LOT. And the grocery store Jungle Jim's is REALLY awesome and a must visit IMO, as is the American Sign Museum. Not to forget Eden Park is really nice, which has both a conservatory/indoor garden(Krohn Conservatory, IIRC its name) and an art museum(never can remember the name of that museum weirdly).
 
Old 02-08-2021, 08:28 AM
 
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This is tough. St. Louis has a historic component that Minneapolis/St. Paul doesn't, but MSP is quite a bit more polished, which most people seem to view as sophistication.

To me, St Louis comes off as more big city, even though it's a smaller MSA, and I think a lot of that is it's older architecture, massive city parks, and historical value.
 
Old 02-08-2021, 09:44 AM
 
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1. Minneapolis/St. Paul - the other 3 choices do not come close.

2. Cleveland - I would give Cleveland a slight edge over St. Louis because they have an elite university, Case Western Reserve University.

3. St. Louis

4. Cincinnati
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