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But for me the only parts of NY I can see more like NE is Long Island’s North Shore and some parts of Westchester. Other than that, it’s undoubtedly PA.
So you’d say Plattsburgh and Albany are PA-leaning?
I don’t know how to really classify this as I just kind of identify “northeast” and don’t know what makes one identifiably different from the other. I see Pennsylvania maybe as more hard-bitten and abandoned by industry than New England? I guess west of the adirondacks maybe it’s more PA and The City and far suburbs (Westchester county I think it is?) more New England?
New York is covers a large area (at least for the northeast) so would make sense that there is not one correct answer here. Western (and probably central) New York is certainly more like PA, and in fact they share a very long border. Eastern New York, from the Adirondacks down through the Hudson Valley likely shares more in common with western New England (again, it's border with New England runs parallel to these areas).
I'd say Westchester shares more in common with New England - certainly FFC, but also reminiscent of some of the western Boston suburbs as well. Long Island definitely more New England with the LI Sound/Ocean. NYC proper probably more similar to Philly, Brooklyn especially.
So I guess when you add up all of the above, seems like a draw to me.
I don’t know how to really classify this as I just kind of identify “northeast” and don’t know what makes one identifiably different from the other. I see Pennsylvania maybe as more hard-bitten and abandoned by industry than New England? I guess west of the adirondacks maybe it’s more PA and The City and far suburbs (Westchester county I think it is?) more New England?
So, how would you view these communities west of the Adirondacks?
They’re all…northeast? The one you showed of Fayetteville has some evergreens I’ve seen a lot in PA when I was a trucker, so I kind of identify that as PA, but within that I’m not sure what makes a place look or feel like one sub-region or another. I tend to think PA has more busted down houses and small towns, and New England has more busted down infrastructure, but I can’t get a good handle on that from those locations. Built environments in the east have a very different vernacular from the west or south, and I haven’t developed an eye for the nuances.
I don’t know how to really classify this as I just kind of identify “northeast” and don’t know what makes one identifiably different from the other. I see Pennsylvania maybe as more hard-bitten and abandoned by industry than New England? I guess west of the adirondacks maybe it’s more PA and The City and far suburbs (Westchester county I think it is?) more New England?
Both PA and NY were industrial powerhouses later than New England, and deindustrialized a bit later.
Outside of their major East Coast metro areas, Upstate NY and Central PA small town conditions are definitely a "mixed bag" all around, depending on local industries and population trends. That's where they align more in terms of economic history. They're both the only two states that transcend East Coast and the interior Northeast/Great Lakes.
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Interesting. I'm not sure I agree or disagree. How so?
I can understand Plattsburgh being more PA than upper New England, at least.
I think architecturally and in terms of layout, NY leans more masonry, and is characterized by cities with narrower, tightly-gridded streets. That's PA in a nutshell and the antithesis of New England, lol.
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