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I think architecturally and in terms of layout, NY leans more masonry, and is characterized by cities with narrower, tightly-gridded streets. That's PA in a nutshell and the antithesis of New England, lol.
I spent three years in Boston and the streets, the the exception of Commonwealth Avenue, Beacon Street, Massachusetts Avenue and Boylston Street are narrow and tightly gridded, a lot like NY. I agree with you about Hartford and other Connecticut cities.
I don’t know how to really classify this as I just kind of identify “northeast” and don’t know what makes one identifiably different from the other. I see Pennsylvania maybe as more hard-bitten and abandoned by industry than New England? I guess west of the adirondacks maybe it’s more PA and The City and far suburbs (Westchester county I think it is?) more New England?
Yeah, I basically agree with this. Although I would also throw in elements of NE Ohio and Mi around the great lakes. Architecturally, topographically, climate and culturally much of western NY/central NY is more Great Lakes than PA (which can feel very Appalachian once you leave the Piedmont.). PA obviously has a sliver of the GL lowlands around Erie Pa. But, Rochester feels a lot more like Grand Rapids or Lansing than Altoona or Scranton.
But on the whole a lot of this is splitting hairs. I tend to think of the NE as 5 sub regions:
1) the Northern mountains- rugged rural with peaked mountains and lakes. The ADKs through Maine.
2) lower New England - LI, CT, Ri, Ma. Densely populated with craggy coastlines and low glacial geography.
3) Mid-Atlantic- the densely populated Piedmont and costal plain of NJ and Eastern PA.
4) the Interior Appalachian - much of central, western and NE PA and NYs southern tier. Relatively rural with cities in the River Valleys. More eroded plateau and flat ridgelines than peaked mountains. Most conservative region. Can feel like WV.
6) the Great Lakes lowlands- relatively level land running from Erie PA along I90 to the roughly Syracuse. Feels like Southern Mi and Northern Ohio with its blue collar industrial heritage and non costal northern culture.
Yeah, I basically agree with this. Although I would also throw in elements of NE Ohio and Mi around the great lakes. Architecturally, topographically, climate and culturally much of western NY/central NY is more Great Lakes than PA (which can feel very Appalachian once you leave the Piedmont.). PA obviously has a sliver of the GL lowlands around Erie Pa. But, Rochester feels a lot more like Grand Rapids or Lansing than Altoona or Scranton.
But on the whole a lot of this is splitting hairs. I tend to think of the NE as 5 sub regions:
1) the Northern mountains- rugged rural with peaked mountains and lakes. The ADKs through Maine.
2) lower New England - LI, CT, Ri, Ma. Densely populated with craggy coastlines and low glacial geography.
3) Mid-Atlantic- the densely populated Piedmont and costal plain of NJ and Eastern PA.
4) the Interior Appalachian - much of central, western and NE PA and NYs southern tier. Relatively rural with cities in the River Valleys. More eroded plateau and flat ridgelines than peaked mountains. Most conservative region. Can feel like WV.
6) the Great Lakes lowlands- relatively level land running from Erie PA along I90 to the roughly Syracuse. Feels like Southern Mi and Northern Ohio with its blue collar industrial heritage and non costal northern culture.
The Northern Mountains --- also called the Great North Woods definitely connects New York State (including the Adirondacks, Tug Hill and the St Lawrence River/ Thousand Islands) all the way to Maine. This is a huge part of New York State and when you combine it with the Hudson Valley, Long Island and the Finger Lakes, you can make a case for New England. Other sections like the Catskills, the Delaware and Susquehanna Rivers connect the state to Pennsylvania. Point is though - there is a whole state outside New York City that people seem to forget about.
The Northern Mountains --- also called the Great North Woods definitely connects New York State (including the Adirondacks, Tug Hill and the St Lawrence River/ Thousand Islands) all the way to Maine. This is a huge part of New York State and when you combine it with the Hudson Valley, Long Island and the Finger Lakes, you can make a case for New England. Other sections like the Catskills, the Delaware and Susquehanna Rivers connect the state to Pennsylvania. Point is though - there is a whole state outside New York City that people seem to forget about.
Yeah, I basically agree with this. Although I would slot the Finger Lakes as more connected to PA. PA dosent really have natural lakes. But the gorges and rolling hills feels more like PA to me than NE.
The finger lakes is pretty unique. But feels to me sort of like PA hills and MI/WI inland lakes had a baby.
Yeah, I basically agree with this. Although I would slot the Finger Lakes as more connected to PA. PA dosent really have natural lakes. But the gorges and rolling hills feels more like PA to me than NE.
The finger lakes is pretty unique. But feels to me sort of like PA hills and MI/WI inland lakes had a baby.
Good point. Pennsylvania is overwhelmingly a river/ creek state, although a notable exception is the Poconos region, where smaller natural lakes do abound.
Yeah, I basically agree with this. Although I would slot the Finger Lakes as more connected to PA. PA dosent really have natural lakes. But the gorges and rolling hills feels more like PA to me than NE.
The finger lakes is pretty unique. But feels to me sort of like PA hills and MI/WI inland lakes had a baby.
On the other hand, many of the communities in the Finger Lakes have a built environment like New England small towns and cities. So, there is that as well.
Yeah, I can see some New England elements in the FLX towns. But, i think the southern portion of FLX matches up better with PA with the cities/villages mostly set in valleys. The northern portion reminds me of the great lakes region than NE. Gently rolling farm land with small blue collar cities on lakes. Some of the more upscale communities are often described as having a new England feel, but that also so true of upscale towns in Oh, Mi, Wi. NE is mostly forested mountain regions and densely populated costal lowlands. I can't really think of an area in NE that reminds me of say Geneva, NY or Seneca Falls.
Yeah, I can see some New England elements in the FLX towns. But, i think the southern portion of FLX matches up better with PA with the cities/villages mostly set in valleys. The northern portion reminds me of the great lakes region than NE. Gently rolling farm land with small blue collar cities on lakes. Some of the more upscale communities are often described as having a new England feel, but that also so true of upscale towns in Oh, Mi, Wi. NE is mostly forested mountain regions and densely populated costal lowlands. I can't really think of an area in NE that reminds me of say Geneva, NY or Seneca Falls.
Places like Skaneateles and Marcellus come to mind right away. Seneca Falls seems to look similar to some of the similarly sized communities in VT from what I’ve seen. Geneva kind of reminds me a little bit of Westerly RI in terms of their Downtowns. So, those are some that I come up with.
Long Island: New England
New York City: Pennsylvania
Westchester; New England
Hudson Valley: New England
Capital Region: New England
North Country: New England
Central New York: Pennsylvania
Southern Tier: Pennsylvania
Western New York: Pennsylvania
5:4 NE to PA Ratio.
I’m curious how nyc is similar to Pennsylvania while it’s surrounding suburbs are New England?
What parts of PA. Allentown area is sort of a Yankee town.
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