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View Poll Results: Which NE City would work best for middle class black Family?
New York City 49 14.37%
Philadelphia 176 51.61%
Boston 36 10.56%
Providence 10 2.93%
Harrisburg 11 3.23%
Newark 21 6.16%
Wilmington 20 5.87%
Jersey City 18 5.28%
Voters: 341. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-17-2022, 02:46 PM
 
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In terms of NYC suburbs on the NY side that would fit much of the criteria, I’d say White Plains and parts of New Rochelle for bigger, more urban suburbs. Tuckahoe, Pelham and Nyack for smaller, walkable communities with good schools that have a decent/good mix of students.

There’s also a good set up like on Long Island in terms of living in the portion of the village of Freeport, but in the Baldwin SD(NW Corner of the village, low electric rates btw). https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fr...villagenewyork
https://www.freeportny.gov/
https://www.elocallink.tv/m/v/player...tour_rev11_iwd
https://goo.gl/maps/DrB6Wu4znqpfcS5i8

https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000049578
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000049578
https://www.baldwinschools.org/
In terms of the bolded city and forgive me if I posted this somewhere else in the thread, but here is a nice video about its schools:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXFW_RQShQU

More information: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000034913
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000034913
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000034913

Some relevant alumni of White Plains HS: https://www.brandeis.edu/campus-clim...lm-graham.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mal_Graham

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...c78_story.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Otis_Graham

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_James

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deacon_Jones_(infielder)

https://www.inquirer.com/philly/obit...repreneur.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Bruce_Llewellyn

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Monk

https://siusalukis.com/honors/saluki...-moore-jr-/172
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_...te-SportsRef-1

Among others...

Given the type of suburbs the OP prefers, it would fit for the most part.

Map: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Wh...!4d-73.7628937

Demographic information: https://data.burlingtonfreepress.com...60-3611981677/
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Old 03-17-2022, 06:42 PM
 
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Norwalk, CT is pretty decent and only an 1hr from the middle of Manhattan.
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Old 03-17-2022, 06:45 PM
 
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Norwalk, CT is pretty decent and only an 1hr from the middle of Manhattan.
I was thinking of Stamford as another CT city that is similar to White Plains.
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Old 03-18-2022, 06:26 AM
 
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I was thinking of Stamford as another CT city that is similar to White Plains.
Makes sense - the two cities have roughly the same % Black population, Black political representation, and actually do some civic things together too (aka "Stamford-Norwalk").
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Old 03-18-2022, 07:51 AM
 
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Makes sense - the two cities have roughly the same % Black population, Black political representation, and actually do some civic things together too (aka "Stamford-Norwalk").
Do you know how the schools for both are or at least how they are viewed? I did know someone a while back that went to Westhill HS in Stamford that attended Howard University with an older sister of mine and her dad was a lawyer(I believe her parents were from Orangeburg SC originally). So, I do know that there is a black middle class presence in the city.
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Old 03-18-2022, 08:45 AM
 
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2016-2020 Median Black FAMILY income by selected city:

Morristown/Maplewood/Montclair NJ( Unavailable, Not sure why)


MILTON MA: $140,078
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

TEANECK NJ: $109, 722
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

MOUNT VERNON NY: $75,879
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

BROCKTON MA: $73,157
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

NORWALK CT: $64,295
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

STAMFORD CT: $64,103
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

NEW YORK NY:$63,561
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

BOSTON MA: $62,190
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

WASHINGTON DC: $58,708
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

WORCESTER MA: $58,673
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

JERSEY CITY NJ: $56,094
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

BALTIMORE MD: $52,216
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

PHILADELPHIA PA: $46,785
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

NEW HAVEN CT: $41,314
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

BUFFALO NY: $40,951
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B


Points of Comparison other Major cities:

LOS ANGELES: $59,394
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

HOUSTON: $46,756
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

CHICAGO: $45,821
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

ATLANTA: $43,050
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

MIAMI: $33,515
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

KANSAS CITY: $46, 864


Adjusted for COL the top cities here (roughly) im using three sites and averaging them out: Smart Asset, Nerd Wallet and Sperlings Best Places. They weighs different things in terms of trying to acheive the same QOL. Smart Assest and Nerd Walle tshow much less variance for perceived COL than Sperlings Best.

Heres Boston compared ot Chicago on all three. Boston Black family income trumps Chicago Black family income even when adjusted for COL in 2/3 but im using my own judgement to an extent

Sperling: Moderator cut: link removed, competitor site
Smart Assest: https://smartasset.com/mortgage/cost...tor#qADT48hLy7
Nerd Wallet: https://www.nerdwallet.com/cost-of-l...l-vs-boston-ma

MILTON MA
TEANECK NJ
BROCKTON MA
(kansas city)
MOUNT VERNON NY
NORWALK CT
STAMFORD CT
WORCESTER MA
BALTIMORE MD
PHILADELPHIA PA
BUFFALO NY
(houston)
BOSTON MA
(chicago)
NYC NY
NEW HAVEN CT
ATLANTA GA
WASHINGTON DC
JERSEY CITY NJ
(los angeles)
(miami)

There's Milton/Teaneck

Then there's a Brockton-Worcester tier

Baltimore-DC is one tier

then there the toughies.

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Old 03-18-2022, 09:03 AM
 
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2016-2020 Median Black FAMILY income by selected city:

Morristown/Maplewood/Montclair NJ( Unavailable, Not sure why)


MILTON MA: $140,078
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

TEANECK NJ: $109, 722
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

MOUNT VERNON NY: $75,879
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

BROCKTON MA: $73,157
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

NORWALK CT: $64,295
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

STAMFORD CT: $64,103
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

NEW YORK NY:$63,561
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

BOSTON MA: $62,190
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

WASHINGTON DC: $58,708
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

WORCESTER MA: $58,673
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

JERSEY CITY NJ: $56,094
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

BALTIMORE MD: $52,216
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

PHILADELPHIA PA: $46,785
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

NEW HAVEN CT: $41,314
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

BUFFALO NY: $40,951
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B


Points of Comparison other Major cities:

LOS ANGELES: $59,394
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

HOUSTON: $46,756
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

CHICAGO: $45,821
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

ATLANTA: $43,050
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

MIAMI: $33,515
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

KANSAS CITY: $46, 864


Adjusted for COL the top cities here (roughly) im using three sites and averaging them out: Smart Asset, Nerd Wallet and Sperlings Best Places. They weighs different things in terms of trying to acheive the same QOL. Smart Assest and Nerd Walle tshow much less variance for perceived COL than Sperlings Best.

Heres Boston compared ot Chicago on all three. Boston Black family income trumps Chicago Black family income even when adjusted for COL in 2/3 but im using my own judgement to an extent

Sperling: Moderator cut: link removed, competitor site
Smart Assest: https://smartasset.com/mortgage/cost...tor#qADT48hLy7
Nerd Wallet: https://www.nerdwallet.com/cost-of-l...l-vs-boston-ma

MILTON MA
TEANECK NJ
BROCKTON MA
(kansas city)
MOUNT VERNON NY
NORWALK CT
STAMFORD CT
WORCESTER MA
BALTIMORE MD
PHILADELPHIA PA
BUFFALO NY
(houston)
BOSTON MA
(chicago)
NYC NY
NEW HAVEN CT
ATLANTA GA
WASHINGTON DC
JERSEY CITY NJ
(los angeles)
(miami)

There's Milton/Teaneck

Then there's a Brockton-Worcester tier

Baltimore-DC is one tier

then there the toughies.
I wouldn't be surprised if places in NY like Elmont, Valley Stream, North Valley Stream, Baldwin, West Babylon, Westbury and perhaps place like Cheltenham PA, South Orange NJ, etc. are up there as well.

So far I've found Elmont: $120,227: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

Baldwin: $160,174: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B
Baldwin Harbor: $163,125: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2019.B19113B

Valley Stream: $130,061: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

North Valley Stream: $130,981: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

West Babylon: $109,815: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

Westbury: $181,202: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B (is a walkable village with a black population that goes back centuries)

South Orange has old information for the CDP.

For Cheltenham, I found CDP's like Elkins Park: $100,076: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B
Wyncote: $195,337: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

So, those are some other examples that came to mind right away. See, now you know I'm going to add more to this list...

Another thing to consider is that you can do this by census tract. An example is of this tract in the outer East Side of Syracuse: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...6-onondaga-ny/ it has a black family income of $127,917(about 20% black):https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B So, you can break this down to a smaller level and it can also allow you see areas of cities given a common narrative, that may not be considered otherwise.

Another adjacent census tract in the outer East Side of Syracuse that is 53% black alone according to 2020 census information: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...2-onondaga-ny/ this tract's black family income is $116,250: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B So, again, even the mid sized cities can have areas with a legitimate black middle class presence.

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Old 03-18-2022, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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I wouldn't be surprised if places in NY like Elmont, Valley Stream, Valley Stream North, Baldwin, West Babylon, Westbury and perhaps place like Cheltenham PA, South Orange NJ, etc. are up there as well.
WESTBURY NY: $181, 202
ELMONT NY: $120,227
WEST BABYLON NY: $109, 815

CHELTENHAM PA: $96,101


SOUTH ORANGE NJ ((96,000) in 1999) ~$168,000 today


CANTON MA: $170, 914 (11% black inc. comobo)
STOUGHTON MA: $96,652 (22% black inc. combo)
MEDFORD MA: $102, 652 (12% black inc. combo)
NEWTON MA: 154, 561 (4% black inc. combo)
BROOKLINE MA: $108, 179

GREENWICH CT: $115, 828 (4% black inc. combo)
WEST HARTFORD CT: $96, 800 (9% black inc. combo)

*sidenote Brockton MA has a higher Black median income (non family) than white median income by about $1,500. 66,500 vs 65,000

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Old 03-18-2022, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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WESTBURY NY: $181, 202
ELMONT NY: $120,227
WEST BABYLON NY: $109, 815

CHELTENHAM PA: $96,101


SOUTH ORANGE NJ ((96,000) in 1999) ~$168,000 today


CANTON MA: $170, 914 (11% black inc. comobo)
STOUGHTON MA: $96,652 (22% black inc. combo)
MEDFORD MA: $102, 652 (12% black inc. combo)
NEWTON MA: 154, 561 (4% black inc. combo)
BROOKLINE MA: $108, 179

GREENWICH CT: $115, 828 (4% black inc. combo)
WEST HARTFORD CT: $96, 800 (9% black inc. combo)

*sidenote Brockton MA has a higher Black median income (non family) than white median income by about $1,500. 66,500 vs 65,000
WINDSOR CT: $109,043

HARTFORD CT: $53,184

BLOOMFIELD CT: $79,729

SPRINGFIELD MA: $48,073

WILMINGTON DE: $43,370

I'm shocked by Hartford, its black areas and population certainly look and feel much poorer than new Haven I would've though Hartford's Black family income would be 35-40k and New Havens 45-55k.

Windsor and Bloomfield make sense
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Old 03-18-2022, 01:06 PM
 
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^Some more cities...

Cambridge MA: $58,218 https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

Malden MA: $66,014 https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

Randolph(says Town city): $92,615 https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

Yonkers NY: $75,308 https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

New Rochelle NY: $66,418 https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19013B

White Plains NY: $76,722 https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

Plainfield NJ: $76,491 https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

Englewood NJ: $68,844 https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

Burlington NJ: $70,625 https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

Easton PA: $62,935 https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

Norristown(borough): $55,108 https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

Danbury CT: $77,879 https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

Meriden CT: $67,946 https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

Middletown CT: $61,308 https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

Pawtucket RI: $58,389 https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B
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