Which Northeast city would be best for a black middle class family? (live, state)

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by BostonBornMassMade

Not sure I see the correlation between land area and black median family income?

I'm thinking in terms of the ease of moving to the suburbs, whereas a first ring suburb of Hartford is likely an outer city neighborhood of most city propers, especially when compared to cities in other regions where annexation is more common.

[BostonBornMassMade]

Originally Posted by ckhthankgod

I'm thinking in terms of the ease of moving to the suburbs, whereas a first ring suburb of Hartford is likely an outer city neighborhood of most city propers, especially when compared to cities in other regions where annexation is more common.

Ahh yea okay makes sense. Yea it kills Hartford there zero incentive to stay in the city not even for commute times at the bare minimum.

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by ckhthankgod

^Even more...

Ossining NY(village north of NYC in Westchester County, 16.8%): $148,092: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Os...!4d-73.8615131

Mount Holly NJ(township east of Philadelphia in Burlington County, 28.4%): $102,407: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Mt...!4d-74.7879393

Churchill PA(borough east of Pittsburgh, 19%); $87,969: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ch...!4d-79.8431042

Poughkeepsie NY(town surrounding the city of the same name in Dutchess County, 14.6%): $105,084: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Po...4!4d-73.900709

Calcium NY(a cdp in the town of Le Ray outside of Fort Drum/NE of Watertown, 19.6%): $100,071: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ca...!4d-75.8460355

Some more...

Uniondale NY(a cdp in the town of Hempstead on Long Island, 39.8%): $103,125: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Un...!4d-73.5931669

North Amityville NY(a cdp in the town of Babylon on Long Island, 53.2%): $122,375: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B
https://www.google.com/maps/place/No...!4d-73.4098154

Bloomfield NJ(township NW of Newark, 23.8%): $82,051: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Bl...!4d-74.1854209

Nantucket MA(town that covers Nantucket Island, 9.3%): $103,083: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Na...4!4d-70.099451

New Castle DE(city south of Wilmington, 30.4%): $80,685: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ne...!4d-75.5668166

Wilson PA(borough next to Easton, 15.4%): $80,455: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Wi...!4d-75.2418439

Derby CT(city west of New Haven, 14.7%): $102,992: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B
https://www.google.com/maps/place/De...9!4d-73.088994

Again, the percentage is including those in combo using 2020 information and the income uses the 2020 5 year information.

[ckhthankgod]

Some more places that haven't really been mentioned much or at all in the thread...

Niskayuna NY(town next to Schenectady, 6.3%): $138,015: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ni...!4d-73.8914407 (known for its very good schools, Asian population, where many GE/KAPL employees live and is one of the most affluent towns in Upstate NY)

Arlington Heights PA(a CDP next to Stroudsburg/East Stroudsburg, 14%): $147,526: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ar...!4d-75.2162969

South Brunswick NJ(township, south of New Brunswick/NE of Trenton, 8.7%): $113,774: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B
https://www.google.com/maps/place/So...!4d-74.5316938

Glasgow DE(a cdp SW of Wilmington on the MD state line, 31.2%): $106,071: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Gl...!4d-75.7452119

Cheshire CT(town next to Waterbury/north of New Haven, 5.3%): $121,591: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ch...!4d-72.9106202

Warwick RI(city south of Providence, 3.8%): $111,046: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Wa...!4d-71.4161754

West Springfield MA(town/city west of Springfield, 5.7%): $132,796: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B
https://www.google.com/maps/place/We...!4d-72.6203675

Essex VT(town east of Burlington, 3.2%): $108,589: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Es...!4d-73.1112456

Derry NH(town SE of Manchester/north of Lawrence MA/NE of Nashua, 2.3%): $116,029: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B
https://www.google.com/maps/place/De...!4d-71.3273346

South Portland ME(city next to Portland, 7%): $87,519: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B
https://www.google.com/maps/place/So...!4d-70.2408811

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by ckhthankgod

Some street views for both census tracts...

Census Tract 46: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0435...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0281...7i16384!8i8192 (Barry Park to the left, where you can find a very diverse set of people: http://www.syrgov.net/Parks/barryPark.html )

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0361...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0461...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0417...7i16384!8i8192 (Nottingham High to the right: https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000040872
Nottingham High School | The Syracuse City School District | Syracuse, NY )
Back side of school/fields: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0386...7i16384!8i8192 (This Catholic HS is close by as well: https://www.cbasyracuse.org/ and I know some that sent their kids to this other nearby private school: https://www.mphschool.org/ or this one not too far away: https://www.bishopgrimes.org/ , let alone this magnet: https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000040860 and charter school options: https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000056174 )

A state rep that lives in the tract: https://nyassembly.gov/mem/Pamela-J-Hunter

Public transportation that serves the tract: https://www.centro.org/docs/default-...sn=b88b4c9d_76

Census Tract 36.02: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0493...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0491...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0507...7i16384!8i8192 (Homer Wheaton Park to the right, which has a little League program based there: http://www.syrgov.net/Parks/homerWheatonPark.html , https://www.syracuse.com/sports/2018...tos_video.html )

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0490...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0479...7i16384!8i8192 (The school to the left: https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...=800000040886; the library: https://www.onlib.org/locations/city...ranch-library; the plaza, which is tied to this college across the street and is a good place to relax or take in live jazz: https://www.lemoyne.edu/College-Admi...tion/Bookstore, https://www.cnyjazz.org/cny-jazz-lau...moyne-college/ )

Represents the tract at the county level: Onondaga County Legislature

Public transportation that serves the tract: https://www.centro.org/docs/default-...sn=ac8b4c9d_32

Both are also close to big box shopping and activities/gyms on Erie Boulevard East: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0451...7i16384!8i8192

and one of the biggest Wegmans locations in their chain of supermarkets: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0318...7i16384!8i8192 (if you don't want to mess with that one, there's this one not too far away either: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0696...7i16384!8i8192

There are also some black owned businesses on that side of town, as mentioned in another thread.

Nearby major employers besides Syracuse University and Le Moyne College are, Bristol Myers-Squibb: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0619...7i16384!8i8192

Carrier Corporation, which still has R & D facilities: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0865...7i16384!8i8192

Sensis/SAAB, which has 2 facilities: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0538...7i13312!8i6656

TTM Technologies: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0766...7i16384!8i8192

and Inficon: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0868...7i13312!8i6656

among some others...

Also, both are in/largely in a zip code(13224) that is a middle class zip code with one of the highest black percentages in the region outside of the Bos-Wash corridor and has a high educational attainment in general and for its black residents.

So, this may be a sleeper area/option for those looking for a substantial black middle class family presence in the Northeast or within a Northeastern city.

I'll try to do something similar for other mid sized areas in the region or if anyone else knows about similar areas, they can post them as well.

Another area that appears to be similar is the Amity/Westville area of New Haven.

Westville: https://www.google.com/maps/place/We...!4d-72.9658608
This tract in the neighborhood: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...-new-haven-ct/ has a median black family income of $112,628: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B and is 43.1% black(alone and in combo): https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...0US09009141100

Another tract in the neighborhood: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...-new-haven-ct/ has a median black family income of &73,914: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B and is 20.4%: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...0US09009141000

Amity: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Am...!4d-72.9750538

The tract that covers the neighborhood: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...-new-haven-ct/ its median black family income is $72,031: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B and it is at 63.6%: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...0US09009141200

If you click on Wards 26, 27 and 30, there is representation on the Board of Alders: https://newhavenct.maps.arcgis.com/a...f340229fa6f4a2
https://www.newhavenct.gov/gov/depts/alders/default.htm

This park is next to the Amity neighborhood: https://portal.ct.gov/DEEP/State-Par...dge-State-Park
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_R...dge_State_Park
A nature preserve in the neighborhood: https://www.newhavenindependent.org/...ature_preserve

This is in the Westville neighborhood: https://yalegolf.yale.edu/
and this is next to the neighborhood: http://scrcog.org/wp-content/uploads...Alt_6-2-16.pdf
https://www.alltrails.com/trail/us/c...t/maltby-lakes
Another park in the eastern edge of the neighborhood: https://www.newhavenct.gov/gov/depts...s/edgewood.htm

A private school in the Westville portion: https://www.hopkins.edu/?utm_source=...medium=organic
https://www.niche.com/k12/hopkins-sc...n-ct/#students

Some other schools in the general area: https://maurosheridan.weebly.com/
https://www.niche.com/k12/mauro-sher...n-ct/students/

https://www.nhps.net/site/Default.aspx?PageID=340
https://www.niche.com/k12/west-rock-...n-ct/students/

https://www.nhps.net/site/Default.aspx?PageID=317
https://www.niche.com/k12/davis-21st...n-ct/students/

A nearby charter school: https://www.achievementfirst.org/sch...d-high-school/
https://www.niche.com/k12/amistad-ac...n-ct/students/

The zone high school: https://www.nhps.net/site/Default.aspx?PageID=325
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3219...7i16384!8i8192
https://www.niche.com/k12/james-hill...n-ct/students/

norcal can likely add more, but to be honest both of these areas seem to be quite similar including a big college/university presence and I notice a visible Jewish presence in both as well.

Ironically, this late NFL Hall of Famer that I would see from time to time not too long ago has a connection to both of these cities: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floyd_Little

[DRPRCubaSpain]

Best places for middle class blacks in the Northeast is the Mid Atlantic portion, more specifically areas in Southeast Pennsylvania,South Jersey, Delaware, and Maryland. Correlating to the metropolitan areas of DC, Philly, Baltimore, and to a far lesser degree NYC/Boston. And this is going by the most strictest and most accurate definition, excluding the Hispanic and mixed ppl, but including nonhispanic Caribbean. Basically African Americans, West Indians, and Africans. You have PG County Maryland, Baltimore County and some areas in Blore city itself, many inner suburbs of Philly and outer neighborhoods of Philadelphia itself, many smaller cities in South Jersey, NYC (BedStuy, Harlem, SE Queens).

[ckhthankgod]

Some small town/rural places in the region...

Washingtonville NY(village in Orange County/SW of Newburgh/east of Middletown, 14.3%): $93,857: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Wa...!4d-74.1659798 (has leadership at school superintendent and representation on the school and village boards)

Coolbaugh PA(township, in Monroe County, in between Scranton/the Stroudsburgs in the Poconos, 34.3%): $79,317: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Co...!4d-75.3878525

Maybrook NY(village, also in between Middletown and Newburgh, 18.5%): $137,188: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ma...!4d-74.2176487

Gordon Heights NY(a cdp in the town of Brookhaven on Long Island, 43.2%): $91,972: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Go...!4d-72.9706607
Some history about this community, which was built for black families that wanted land: The History of Gordon Heights - Longwood Central School District

Clayton NJ(borough in Gloucester County in South Jersey, 24.1%): $100,848: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Cl...!4d-75.0921197

[908Boi]

Originally Posted by DRPRCubaSpain

Best places for middle class blacks in the Northeast is the Mid Atlantic portion, more specifically areas in Southeast Pennsylvania,South Jersey, Delaware, and Maryland. Correlating to the metropolitan areas of DC, Philly, Baltimore, and to a far lesser degree NYC/Boston. And this is going by the most strictest and most accurate definition, excluding the Hispanic and mixed ppl, but including nonhispanic Caribbean. Basically African Americans, West Indians, and Africans. You have PG County Maryland, Baltimore County and some areas in Blore city itself, many inner suburbs of Philly and outer neighborhoods of Philadelphia itself, many smaller cities in South Jersey, NYC (BedStuy, Harlem, SE Queens).

Don't forget North Jersey !

[ckhthankgod]

This census tract in Westbury NY on Long Island may be the only one in the region with a black family median income that surpasses $200k(40.5%): https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...039-nassau-ny/
$207,277: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B
A few street views: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7679...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7647...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7714...7i13312!8i6656

A couple of block groups in that tract's eastern half: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...p-4-nassau-ny/
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...US360593039004

Some other information: https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000049217
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000049217
https://www.westburyschools.org/domain/14
https://www.westburyschools.org/domain/16

https://www.villageofwestbury.org/officials

Downtown street view: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7555...7i16384!8i8192
https://westburybid.org/

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...p-3-nassau-ny/
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...US360593039003

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by ckhthankgod

This census tract in Westbury NY on Long Island may be the only one in the region with a black family median income that surpasses $200k(40.5%): https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...039-nassau-ny/
$207,277: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B
A few street views: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7679...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7647...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7714...7i13312!8i6656

A couple of block groups in that tract's eastern half: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...p-4-nassau-ny/
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...US360593039004

Some other information: https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000049217
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000049217
https://www.westburyschools.org/domain/14
https://www.westburyschools.org/domain/16

https://www.villageofwestbury.org/officials

Downtown street view: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7555...7i16384!8i8192
https://westburybid.org/

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...p-3-nassau-ny/
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...US360593039003

I was wrong, as this census tract in Hillcrest NY in Rockland County also has a median black family income of over $200k(42%): https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...2-rockland-ny/
$207,039: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

A census block group in this tract, which I believe is a new tract formed out of the former 115.04 tract: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...2-rockland-ny/
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...US360870115122

The other census block: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...1-rockland-ny/
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...US360870115121

A few street views: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.1233...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.1301...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.1268...7i16384!8i8192

It is in the East Ramapo SD and some likely go the private route either in NY or nearby parts of NJ.

I did find another one in New Rochelle where the black family median income exceeded $250k, but it’s percentage is about 11%.