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View Poll Results: Which NE City would work best for middle class black Family?
New York City 49 14.41%
Philadelphia 176 51.76%
Boston 35 10.29%
Providence 10 2.94%
Harrisburg 11 3.24%
Newark 21 6.18%
Wilmington 20 5.88%
Jersey City 18 5.29%
Voters: 340. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-27-2022, 10:50 AM
 
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Good question...From what I could find, when looking at Manhattan, Brooklyn and Queens, it is $797,604 as of March 31st: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/property-prices/nyc/

This source says $750,000 for the 4th Quarter of 2021: https://www.propertyshark.com/mason/...ential/nyc-all
Median listing prices according to Realtor.com

Harlem: 869k https://www.realtor.com/realestatean...an_NY/overview

Brooklyn: 895k https://www.realtor.com/realestatean...yn_NY/overview

-Prospect Leffert Gardens: 849k https://www.realtor.com/realestatean...yn_NY/overview

-Bed Stuy: 897k https://www.realtor.com/realestatean...yn_NY/overview

-Crown Heights: 850k https://www.realtor.com/realestatean...yn_NY/overview

-Flatbush: 650k https://www.realtor.com/realestatean...yn_NY/overview

Queens: 600k https://www.realtor.com/realestatean...ns_NY/overview

-Hollis: 699k https://www.realtor.com/realestatean...rk_NY/overview

-Jamaica: 609k https://www.realtor.com/realestatean...ca_NY/overview

-Laurelton: 600k https://www.realtor.com/realestatean...ns_NY/overview

Bronx: 389.5k https://www.realtor.com/realestatean...nx_NY/overview



Dorchester: 604.5k/575k https://www.realtor.com/realestatean...er_MA/overview and https://www.realtor.com/realestatean...er_MA/overview

Roxbury: 675k https://www.realtor.com/realestatean...ry_MA/overview

-Grove Hall 455k https://www.realtor.com/realestatean...ll_MA/overview

Mattapan: 584.9k https://www.realtor.com/realestatean...an_MA/overview

-Southern Mattapan 392k https://www.realtor.com/realestatean...an_MA/overview

Hyde Park :579k https://www.realtor.com/realestatean...rk_MA/overview

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Old 04-27-2022, 11:14 AM
 
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This is in Abington, right? Abington does seem like another township in the Philadelphia area that has the substantial black middle class presence, along with good schools as well.
Yes.

Whenever possible, work your magic and show the statistics for the area because I can't for the life of me figure out how to use the data census website lol.
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Old 04-27-2022, 11:20 AM
 
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Haven't seen Trenton bought up yet and it's not in the poll. I know it's not the best city, but it ain't the worst either.
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Old 04-27-2022, 11:23 AM
 
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Haven't seen Trenton bought up yet and it's not in the poll. I know it's not the best city, but it ain't the worst either.
Knowing Trenton well (family from West Trenton, Stokely Avenue).. what's worse than Trenton besides Camden? Why would one want to live there?
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Old 04-27-2022, 12:38 PM
 
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Haven't seen Trenton bought up yet and it's not in the poll. I know it's not the best city, but it ain't the worst either.
I mentioned some census tracts and zip codes on here. Its West Side and neighborhoods close to Hamilton Township has a black middle class presence. I actually have family there on my mom's side from SC and I'll have to aske her where they live, as it has been a while. It definitely has its nicer areas within the city though.
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Old 04-27-2022, 12:51 PM
 
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Yes.

Whenever possible, work your magic and show the statistics for the area because I can't for the life of me figure out how to use the data census website lol.
I got you...

In terms of median black family income, it comes in at $97,826: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B
For median household income it is $68,125: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...ST5Y2020.S1903
and its percentage(alone/in combo) is 27.9%(2020 info): https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table?g=1600000US4266256

Overall information: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/profi...00000US4266256

A few block groups in the community: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...montgomery-pa/
https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...montgomery-pa/
https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...montgomery-pa/

Map: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ro...!4d-75.1370254

In terms of searching, once here: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/ just go to advanced search. Then, go to the left and pick the Geography level you want and Topics, then Income and Poverty. Then, click either Search in the lower right corner or the double arrows in the upper right corner of the left side column in order to view the information. Median household income is the 3rd selection on the first page and for median black family income, click on the 50 on the right side of the first information page, then scroll down and click on 4. From there, scroll down to B19113B for the family income information.

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Old 04-28-2022, 11:25 AM
 
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Boston While Black Summit is occurring right now from April 28-April 30

https://www.wbur.org/news/2022/04/27...siness-network

Local Black leaders, community members and allies will gather over the course of three days, taking part in workshops and panels that discuss how to best navigate Boston’s professional and cultural landscape as a Black person. The summit is focused specifically on building a thriving Black business network across the region.

On how the summit came about

Collier: It honestly came from my experience navigating Boston. I've been here for 18 years. I came here to go to graduate school and had a challenge feeling a part of my school community in grad school, as well as the Greater Boston Black community. And really that is that is how Boston While Black was created because I was seeking this community that I had to create for myself, and so I created it for others.

WBUR is a nonprofit news organization. Our coverage relies on your financial support. If you value articles like the one you're reading right now, give today.

The summit is a three-day, in real-life version of that and an opportunity to bring together the Black people across the city who are really experts about how to navigate Boston. We're focused on specifically tech and life sciences because of the importance of that those industries in Boston. And then we have a whole day focused on navigating the city. So everything from how do you get civically engaged, to dating in Boston, to how to access mental health and wellness resources. [These] are the tools and resources people need to create the city they want to live in.

On why the summit is focusing on tech

Collier: I made a hard career change a couple of years ago to work for the Greater Boston Chamber of Commerce. And it really further opened my eyes to how much Black people are not represented in some of the most innovative, fastest growing industries in the city

On attracting and retaining Black talent to Boston

Idowu: Well, I don't think it's an issue of attracting people. There's no dearth of Black people or Black talent in the city who want to be a part of a community. And that's where the rub is. That's where Boston has been failing, is creating that sense of community for Black people of all varieties in the city.

The real issue is retention. There is no community, there are no spaces owned by Black people that you can just hang out and be yourself and not worry about the outside world coming after you like many of our experiences are. My job, and that of the Economic Opportunity and Inclusion cabinet, is to make sure that we are making Boston a place that is worthy of retaining all of this talent — creating those spaces, creating more opportunities for ownership, making Boston a fun place — because we shut down at 10 p.m. for some reason. Black talent wants to come here. It's about us creating the conditions for keeping them.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/04/...e-tech-talent/

https://www.baystatebanner.com/2022/...professionals/

I'm watching it live, large event downtown looks pretty well attended. Many corporate sponsors. It's basically dedicated toward helping black transplants learn how to navigate Boston and integrate into the Greater Boston Black Community. They actually asked me to be a speaker lol, but I felt it was inappropriate since I haven't lived there in a while and my resume pales in comparison to the other speakers.

You can see it live here: https://www.instagram.com/bostonwhileblack/?hl=en

https://bostonwhileblack.com/
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Old 04-28-2022, 11:28 AM
 
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One thing you'll notice in Boston is the black community is dominated by influential women. This event is like 85% women. I think because of the high level of educational credentialism, lack of military, manufacturing, emphasis on education and healthcare economies (female-dominated), and high barrier to small business owners/entrepreneurs in the form of regulations. Add to this- women are much less impacted by the racism stigma black men here every athletic season on ESPN.

We might remember Boston was rated the 2nd best city for black women recently. That's why I say dating there as a black man there is excellent.
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Old 04-28-2022, 12:03 PM
 
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^For sure...

I'm going to stop in terms of the Interior Northeastern cities, but before I do, at the zip code level and primarily within a city, Syracuse's 13224 may be the best bet in terms of a higher percentage and median black family income.

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/86000US13224-13224/
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Sy...!4d-76.1030007

Its black percentage(alone and in combo using 2020 5 year data) is 34.7% and its median black family income is $84,952, which is almost $5k over the national overall median family income: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B

When including educational attainment(2020 5 year info), it is 30.7% of black residents 25 and older have at least a Bachelor's Degree, which is just under the 32.9% nationally: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...ST5Y2020.S1501

Some other street views: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0422...7i16384!8i8192 (Scottholm)

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0381...7i16384!8i8192 (Bradford Hills)

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0476...7i16384!8i8192 (Salt Springs)

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0447...2!9m2!1b1!2i37 (technically Meadowbrook, have family that has lived in this particular area for about 55 years. A former judge originally from Miami that lived across the street from them: https://www.cnyhistory.org/2014/11/l...sting%20legacy. ) A couple of other judges that live/lived in the area originally from Brooklyn: https://www.urbancny.com/gordon-cuff...to-be-a-judge/
https://www.syracuse.com/sports/2012...udge_vane.html

So, if someone is looking for a chunk of a mid-sized, Interior(and more affordable) city proper area(some of the zip is just outside of the city), this meets much of the statistical criteria that may be important to families.
Just to add to this, this is an adjacent zip code to the east that covers a portion of the same side of town(outer East Side), but also a good portion of DeWitt(cdp/town/Jamesville-DeWitt SD): https://censusreporter.org/profiles/86000US13214-13214/
Its median black family income is; $75,912: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B
Percentage(along/in combo, 2020 5 year data), 15.2%: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...SDP5Y2020.DP05
Some street views: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0423...7i16384!8i8192 (East Side)

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0394...7i16384!8i8192 (East Side)

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0324...7i16384!8i8192 (DeWitt)

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0361...7i16384!8i8192

Jamesville-DeWitt is a highly regarded school district that is a top 25-30 Upstate NY school district academically, that historically is one where black families that go with suburbs move to in the area. Some even in this district may go the private route as well. Most live in the cdp portion, but some may live in the Jamesville portion of the district as well: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/profi...00000US3620467
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...NNIALPL2020.P1 (11.9% alone/in combo)
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B ($75,385)
More information: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...h-school-13636
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000041078
https://www.jamesvilledewitt.org/

A park in the school district: https://onondagacountyparks.com/park...lle-beach-park

It is known for being a school district for many that work at Syracuse University, whether faculty, staff; academia, athletics, etc. or at hospitals on University Hill(some may go with the Fayetteville-Manlius SD as well). Same for those at Le Moyne College, which is in the zip code or other colleges in the area.

It is also known for its Jewish(in particular), Middle Eastern and Asian populations, with students getting Jewish and Middle Eastern holidays off.

So, that may be a suburban option for those looking for a relatively more affordable area in the region with good schools. Both of these zip codes blend into each other and cross into both side of the city/town border. Between the 2, it is about 25% black and an income roughly at the national overall income of about $80k for black families.

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Old 04-28-2022, 12:31 PM
 
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I got you...

In terms of median black family income, it comes in at $97,826: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19113B
For median household income it is $68,125: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...ST5Y2020.S1903
and its percentage(alone/in combo) is 27.9%(2020 info): https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table?g=1600000US4266256

Overall information: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/profi...00000US4266256

A few block groups in the community: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...montgomery-pa/
https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...montgomery-pa/
https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...montgomery-pa/

Map: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ro...!4d-75.1370254

In terms of searching, once here: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/ just go to advanced search. Then, go to the left and pick the Geography level you want and Topics, then Income and Poverty. Then, click either Search in the lower right corner or the double arrows in the upper right corner of the left side column in order to view the information. Median household income is the 3rd selection on the first page and for median black family income, click on the 50 on the right side of the first information page, then scroll down and click on 4. From there, scroll down to B19113B for the family income information.
Thank you,

I got it for Elkins Park, but I can't get it for Roslyn.
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/advan...nd%20Ethnicity


I would like to compare the two, but the website doesn't keep track of statistics for Roslyn AFAIK.
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