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One of the links was difficult to imbed for some reason, so I forgot to add context in the midst of aggravation
My question was which neighborhood is considered the most desirable for black middle class families?The Jamaican Plains area looks ideal on paper, but I'm not entirely sure since statistics can be misleading.
For all the (undeserved) hate Boston gets in the black community, it's black population is increasing while New York's and Philadelphia's is slightly decreasing. Perhaps the stigma is wearing off.
I think for NYC, it is a matter of cost/gentrification. However, the change isn’t as big as people make it out to be, as immigration and those in select industries have moved into the city. Some information: https://s4.ad.brown.edu/projects/div...cityid=3651000
So, you also have some increases in a couple of boroughs and a couple are in roughly the same range the past 4 decades. Who is included may also play a part in this as well.
My dad lived in Boston for a while. He's African American and didn't hate it. He lived in Dorchester. All of Boston looked nice to me. I visited a few times. Stayed for a week at a time usually.
If it's poor areas there, you definitely can't tell. Looks middle/working class throughout. Clean. Real boring though. I dont think you can even compare it to Philly.
Stayed at an AirBnB in the Rosdale neighborhood of Boston, saw some nice black-ish? neighborhoods. Not my favorite city but probably decent for a family just going off vibes/looks. Too expensive though, too cold.
My dad lived in Boston for a while. He's African American and didn't hate it. He lived in Dorchester. All of Boston looked nice to me. I visited a few times. Stayed for a week at a time usually.
If it's poor areas there, you definitely can't tell. Looks middle/working class throughout. Clean. Real boring though. I dont think you can even compare it to Philly.
Of course dorchester is boring lol.
Boston has a huge liquor license discrepancy. Which in turn makes some neighborhoods desolute of dining options and vibrancy.
Its like Boston in general is fun, but some neighborhoods like Mattapan and Hyde Park have very few things to do. Although, they are actively working on that.
People i live with here are like wow boston is cool and awesome, its my favorite city! But once you leave the core... it dries out pretty fast. I guess the same can be true about anywhere? But it gets real bad in neighborhoods in Boston that dont have preexisting liquor licenses. Just how it is.
But still way better than Philadelphia. Outside of CD ive yet to meet someone who enjoys philly, im sure it can be great .. but meh. It has a way to come still
A lot of people just move to the suburbs as well. There is plenty of information just in this thread to illustrate that. Same in regards to select areas of the city that have a large black middle class. For instance, this is a SFH area of Cambria Heights in Queens, a predominantly black area that is middle class: https://goo.gl/maps/M9gLsLpJHEVcSTYKA
So, if these 3 adjacent zip codes were to combine and form its own city, it would have about 95,000 people, would be about 87% black and a median household income of about $93k. There are other nearby neighborhoods with a similar profile.
I say that the borough president is a little bit different, because technically both the Bronx and Brooklyn are also counties(Bronx County and Kings County) and have the same boundaries. So, they are more in line with county executives. https://www.brooklyn-usa.org/eric-adams-bio/
Also the borough president of Queens, who actually lived in one of the neighborhoods mentioned in the previous post: https://queensbp.org/about-bp/ (of Jamaican descent)
NYC seems good for upper-middle-class and upper-class black families. Wouldnt be as isolating as Boston culturally... but the lower middle class is the bulk of the black middle class and frankly, Boston is a beast there in terms of QOL.
Newark doesn't seem like a good option at all (its inclusion along with NYC is also what makes some think we're talking city proper).
In terms of the bolded city, it looks like there is a middle class presence in the general Vailsburg/Ivy Hill area near South Orange, Maplewood and even near Irvington(86.6%, 18.2% and $45,198) and East Orange(84.6%, 18.2% and $50,498) not too far from Seton Hall University. South Orange(25.1%, 6.1% and $98,750) and Maplewood(38.6%, 4.9% and $98,211) have substantial black middle class populations, while the latter two do have some lower/straight middle class areas near this part of Newark. https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...up-3-essex-nj/ https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7425...7i16384!8i8192
Further south, the black middle class presence goes into parts of Union, Roselle(49.3%, $58,500 and 8.8%) and Linden(30.4%, $72,147 and 8.8%) as well. The latter two do touch Elizabeth, with Union(32%, $90,116 and 4.8% black figures) touching Hillside, Irvington and Maplewood to its north. Just south of Linden is Rahway, which also has a substantial black middle class(29% black, 11.4% black poverty rate, black MHHI just under $73k). This doesn't include places with a substantial black middle class like West Orange(28%, 4.1% and $105,412) or Montclair(22.3%, 13.2% and $62,438) as well. Even Bloomfield at 20%, 8.4% and $64,827 would possibly get consideration from some.
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Boston has a huge liquor license discrepancy. Which in turn makes some neighborhoods desolute of dining options and vibrancy.
Its like Boston in general is fun, but some neighborhoods like Mattapan and Hyde Park have very few things to do. Although, they are actively working on that.
People i live with here are like wow boston is cool and awesome, its my favorite city! But once you leave the core... it dries out pretty fast. I guess the same can be true about anywhere? But it gets real bad in neighborhoods in Boston that dont have preexisting liquor licenses. Just how it is.
But still way better than Philadelphia. Outside of CD ive yet to meet someone who enjoys philly, im sure it can be great .. but meh. It has a way to come still
yup, they had a debate on the radio once and they mentioned that boston has 1,100 liquor licenses of which only about 10 of them are black owned. with marijuana, the discrepancy will probably get worse.
In terms of the bolded city, it looks like there is a middle class presence in the general Vailsburg/Ivy Hill area near South Orange, Maplewood and even near Irvington(86.6%, 18.2% and $45,198) and East Orange(84.6%, 18.2% and $50,498) not too far from Seton Hall University. South Orange(25.1%, 6.1% and $98,750) and Maplewood(38.6%, 4.9% and $98,211) have substantial black middle class populations, while the latter two do have some lower/straight middle class areas near this part of Newark. https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...up-3-essex-nj/ https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7425...7i16384!8i8192
Further south, the black middle class presence goes into parts of Union, Roselle(49.3%, $58,500 and 8.8%) and Linden(30.4%, $72,147 and 8.8%) as well. The latter two do touch Elizabeth, with Union(32%, $90,116 and 4.8% black figures) touching Hillside, Irvington and Maplewood to its north. Just south of Linden is Rahway, which also has a substantial black middle class(29% black, 11.4% black poverty rate, black MHHI just under $73k). This doesn't include places with a substantial black middle class like West Orange(28%, 4.1% and $105,412) or Montclair(22.3%, 13.2% and $62,438) as well. Even Bloomfield at 20%, 8.4% and $64,827 would possibly get consideration from some.
Some representation information for these other communities outside of Newark.
My dad lived in Boston for a while. He's African American and didn't hate it. He lived in Dorchester. All of Boston looked nice to me. I visited a few times. Stayed for a week at a time usually.
If it's poor areas there, you definitely can't tell. Looks middle/working class throughout. Clean. Real boring though. I dont think you can even compare it to Philly.
TBH, there are nice safe affordable areas for middle class black families, just not sure if it's to the extent of Boston...
I'll do East Oak Lane area since it's the area I'm most familiar with:
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