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Are you saying that Philadelphia doesn't have as many of those would think the outer West Philadelphia neighborhoods alone would at the very least match Boston, if not surpass it in that regard.
Are you saying that Philadelphia doesn't have as many of those would think the outer West Philadelphia neighborhoods alone would at the very least match Boston, if not surpass it in that regard.
Boston's Middle Class African American communities are unique. THe crime rates are extremely low and incomes are unusually high. They escape outside the city limits too, which is a huge huge plus. I grew up in a census tract that is currently 60% African American/Black and the average household income is 87k. And thats not even a 'good' neighborhood.
I have no idea about Philadelphia's though lol. Im just responding to Boston's. Im assuming PHL has 50% more suburbs of middle class african americans, given its sze.. just dont know where.
Are you saying that Philadelphia doesn't have as many of those would think the outer West Philadelphia neighborhoods alone would at the very least match Boston, if not surpass it in that regard.
Considering Boston is only 49 sq miles of land, it should. But the person I'm replying to seems to think Boston has more and Philadelphia is devoid of such areas, so I'm not sure...
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yup, they had a debate on the radio once and they mentioned that boston has 1,100 liquor licenses of which only about 10 of them are black owned. with marijuana, the discrepancy will probably get worse.
Yeah, and Boston is the only city in the country that continuously knows how to make bad situations worse.. and they are doing just that. There is a very simple solution to the liquor license situation...actually multiple solutions that would fix it immediately.
Boston's Middle Class African American communities are unique. THe crime rates are extremely low and incomes are unusually high. They escape outside the city limits too, which is a huge huge plus. I grew up in a census tract that is currently 60% African American/Black and the average household income is 87k. And thats not even a 'good' neighborhood.
I have no idea about Philadelphia's though lol. Im just responding to Boston's. Im assuming PHL has 50% more suburbs of middle class african americans, given its sze.. just dont know where.
Some are in NJ like Willingboro and Lawnside; along with some on the PA side like Yeadon and Lansdowne. there are parts of towns like Cheltenham and Abington on the PA side that are as well, off the top of my head.
Among others...Something to keep in mind is that Syracuse's black percentage from 1980-2010 doubled from 15.5% to 31.1%(black alone and in combination non-Hispanic). So, this is a city that has seen its black population grow: https://s4.ad.brown.edu/projects/div...cityid=3673000 and in turn, political/leadership representation has grown.
As for the Say Yes to Education Program, which is the bolded information and could apply to anyone, Buffalo also has this scholarship program citywide. https://sayyestoeducation.org/where-we-work/
So, if you go with the city of Buffalo, you have plenty of non private options and all would allow you to qualify for the scholarship program. Some that go private may go with city schools such as Canisius(all male, good Football program), Bishop Timon-St. Jude in South Buffalo, The Nichols School, Nardin(girls), Mount Mercy(girls), Academy of the Sacred Heart(girls) or if they go outside of the city schools such as The Park School(very good Boys Basketball program), Cardinal O'Hara in Tonawanda(very good Girls Basketball program), St. Joe's in Kenmore(boys, good Football program), St. Francis(boys, also known for Football program) and St. Mary's in Lancaster.
As for the city in relation to the thread, I'd say that North Buffalo, Elmwood Village, Parkside, Central Park(neighborhood), the NE corner of the city(parts of University/University Heights, Kensington Heights), Linwood and parts of the Allentown and Hamlin Park neighborhoods would have a presence of such families. Hamlin Park is actually a historically designated neighborhood with a long history of having a black middle class, with some streets retaining that character better than others: https://buffaloah.com/h/hamln/hamlin.html
Nearby Parkside across Main Street is another historic style neighborhood with a long time and visible black middle class due to the neighbors standing firm in staying the neighborhood versus leaving: https://parksidebuffalo.org/index.php
The eastern half of these middle class census tracts cover much of the neighborhood(in between Delaware and Main) and it is also very close to Elmwood Village: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...t-169-erie-ny/
Keep in mind that this is a city with around 100,000 black residents, give or take/who you include(about 36-40% of the city) and quite a bit of black people in leadership positions(mayor, police chief, school superintendent, city council president(also a prominent pastor in the city), a deputy fire commissioner, President of Buffalo State College(about 33% of students are black), etc.
Once things open up, you are less than 100 miles from Downtown Toronto and for the family, there's Niagara Falls, Darien Lake amusement park, historical sites, etc.
If you want suburbs, Eggertsville in Amherst(Amherst Central SD, very good schools), Cleveland Hill in Cheektowaga(Cleveland Hill SD, solid schools), the Sweet Home SD in Amherst(solid/good schools), Cheektowaga Central SD(solid schools) and Maryvale SD in Cheektowaga(solid schools) are suburbs with higher black populations that others. Williamsville SD is arguably the area's top SD and has historically been another suburban SD where some athletes/coaches/professionals have lived, with the zones for South and North Highs having more of a presence. Some go with the Kenmore-Tonawanda SD, with Kenmore West having more of a presence historically; Cheektowaga-Sloan and West Seneca Schools as well. Lackawanna is a steel town that has had a long time and quite visible black population that is largely concentrated on its west side(known for having some very good Football teams at times). Ironically, a lot of the Bills players live near the stadium/facility in the Southtowns(Orchard Park and Hamburg) south of the city, while most of these listed suburbs are North/NE/East of the city.
This has been an enlightening and interesting thread to read. As an older black male that is single and without kids, if I'm being honest I don't know if this utopia actually exists. If there is, everyone is already there. The cost of living/real estate is going up everywhere. That's something this and future generations of people should come to expect. I know there certain areas of the country that have seen an increase in that demographic, but being around people that are the same color as me, is not one of the things I think about when determining the ideal place to live. Maybe I'm different. I think about QOL, I think about education/schools if I were to have children, I think about the policies in place for the citizens (red vs blue state), the economy (jobs) among other things. Where can I obtain a higher standard of living, social upward mobility, with the right skills and education?
As James Brown sings, "Paid the cost to be the boss."
If anything, all the data that I've seen shows that "our" income/wealth lags behind other races. That in itself is another issue.
^Yes, that is another issue altogether and agree that there isn’t a “utopia” anywhere.
However, there are places in the Northeast where the black median household income is the highest out of all groups in a community. A few that come to mind are West Babylon, Gordon Heights(a predominantly black community in Suffolk County) and Coram on Long Island. Lakeview, also on Long Island, is NY State’s blackest census recognized community at 79% black has a median household income just under $147,000. So, some of this depends on the community/neighborhood in the Northeast.
In terms of the bolded city, it looks like there is a middle class presence in the general Vailsburg/Ivy Hill area near South Orange, Maplewood and even near Irvington(86.6%, 18.2% and $45,198) and East Orange(84.6%, 18.2% and $50,498) not too far from Seton Hall University. South Orange(25.1%, 6.1% and $98,750) and Maplewood(38.6%, 4.9% and $98,211) have substantial black middle class populations, while the latter two do have some lower/straight middle class areas near this part of Newark. https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...up-3-essex-nj/ https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7425...7i16384!8i8192
Further south, the black middle class presence goes into parts of Union, Roselle(49.3%, $58,500 and 8.8%) and Linden(30.4%, $72,147 and 8.8%) as well. The latter two do touch Elizabeth, with Union(32%, $90,116 and 4.8% black figures) touching Hillside, Irvington and Maplewood to its north. Just south of Linden is Rahway, which also has a substantial black middle class(29% black, 11.4% black poverty rate, black MHHI just under $73k). This doesn't include places with a substantial black middle class like West Orange(28%, 4.1% and $105,412) or Montclair(22.3%, 13.2% and $62,438) as well. Even Bloomfield at 20%, 8.4% and $64,827 would possibly get consideration from some.
Just to add in regards to schools, South Orange-Maplewood, Teaneck, Montclair and West Orange are the best bets.
Also, this main thoroughfare in Maplewood has its share of black owned businesses and highly to predominantly black middle class neighborhoods nearby: https://www.springfieldavenue.com/
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