Which Northeast city would be best for a black middle class family? (Atlanta, Phoenix)
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You're not alone, and I think that has a lot to do with the school's now-disgraced most famous alumnus, comedian-educator Bill Cosby.
He did a lot to put Temple on the national map through his comedic monologues in the 1960s, in particular his riffs off Temple's forlorn football program ("it was always first and 49 on our own 1"). And, of course, as Dr. Heathcliff Huxtable on The Cosby Show, he was also a proud Temple alum.
I got recruitment materials from Temple when I was in high school. Given the other schools that actively sent me recruitment materials, I thought Temple was an HBCU too.
And I think the reputation still precedes it: a group of Black students at Temple got a lot of flak two years ago for making and selling T-shirts with the legend "hbcu•ish" on them, referring to Temple.
The school's location in the middle of North Central Philadelphia, the part of the city with the highest percentage of Blacks and some of the lowest median household incomes, probably also helps reinforce this idea.
Yes, all of this. I thought the percentage would be at least 20% given the location alone.
There’s also the John Chaney(R.I.P.) aspect, as he was another big face attached to Temple, with their good Men’s Basketball program. He ironically came to Temple from Cheyney State.
Just looking at the Providence area, East Providence, Cranston and North Providence look to be the best bets in terms of having a visible black middle class. Perhaps parts of Pawtucket(17.6% black) and Middletown as well. Not sure about schools, but the first 3 appear to have a mix in quality.
Most of the black middle class there is in Central Nyack just west of Nyack and South Nyack.
They actually went to high school at St. Joe's of Montvale, which is what some nearby NYers do for high schools. Meaning, they go to NNJ Catholic high schools with good football programs like Paramus Catholic, Bergen Catholic, Don Bosco Prep, St. Peter's in Jersey City, etc.
Rockland County in general has a pretty high black median household income of $80,998 (9.7% poverty rate, 2019 5 year census info). Places like Hillcrest, West Haverstraw, Pomona, Mount Ivy, Chestnut Ridge and Nanuet are some other places in the county with a substantial black middle class.
South Nyack blends in with Nyack to the point that you couldn’t tell if you left Nyack to go into South Nyack. Which means that it is a walkable community in its own right. Where the 2 meet: https://goo.gl/maps/roTTgs7p2YRNiLq87
You can walk into Nyack from Central Nyack, but that will mean going under or over a highway. Valley Cottage is another adjacent community in the school district: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...ey-cottage-ny/
Just looking at the Providence area, East Providence, Cranston and North Providence look to be the best bets in terms of having a visible black middle class. Perhaps parts of Pawtucket(17.6% black) and Middletown as well. Not sure about schools, but the first 3 appear to have a mix in quality.
Again, the entire northeast is bad but there is no sensible reason to be in New England if not in Boston or its immediate environs or Norwalk on down.
It is odd to me to see folks advocating on any level for places like Pawtucket or Hartford when almost everything emanating from those places in regards to black people is a huge negative. I'm sure there are a few decent blocks somewhere up there but you won't find many of us ADOS there.
Again, the entire northeast is bad but there is no sensible reason to be in New England if not in Boston or its immediate environs or Norwalk on down.
It is odd to me to see folks advocating on any level for places like Pawtucket or Hartford when almost everything emanating from those places in regards to black people is a huge negative. I'm sure there are a few decent blocks somewhere up there but you won't find many of us ADOS there.
^this is all I've ever heard of Pawtucket Rhode Island
No one is “advocating” for those places. It is strictly straight information. Hartford does at least have suburban communities with a big black middle class like Bloomfield and Windsor. Bloomfield is predominantly black at 57.6% and Windsor is 38.2% black. Both are next to each and the black populations are both generally middle class. https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fa...icut/PST045219
So, the Hartford area is different from the Providence area in that regard.
New Haven and Bridgeport also have areas with a substantial black middle class as well.
I also disagree in regards to the entire Northeast being bad, as just about any mid sized/major area with a black population have at least an area that you can find a substantial black middle class. In fact, other areas not listed have been mentioned in the thread.
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which city is the best for black middle-class families.
Really very few in the northeast are^ and to say otherwise kind of goes against the grain. As a region, it's not great. The black cultural areas are being rapidly gentrified or if not they wallow in third-world squalor. It's expensive, it's segregated, its infrastructure is poor and the city public schools are totally dismal.
I know of some places in CT that are decent as I've met people from there.
I did not say Boston was the worst. I highlighted it as the best option in New England. I'm pretty familiar with Boston through work and while I would not move there it is certainly better than given credit for. Most of the sportsball fans are the ones who harp on it, not me.
I reluctantly voted NYC just due to culture and the variety of housing options but Boston is a close second as it seems best suited for a professional and for families. As for those Hartford area towns, I think I've heard of Windsor at least.
Wilmington is not part of the Northeast by the way.
which city is the best for black middle-class families.
Really very few in the northeast are^ and to say otherwise kind of goes against the grain. As a region, it's not great. The black cultural areas are being rapidly gentrified or if not they wallow in third-world squalor. It's expensive, it's segregated, its infrastructure is poor and the city public schools are totally dismal.
I know of some places in CT that are decent as I've met people from there.
I did not say Boston was the worst. I highlighted it as the best option in New England. I'm pretty familiar with Boston through work and while I would not move there it is certainly better than given credit for. Most of the sportsball fans are the ones who harp on it, not me.
I reluctantly voted NYC just due to culture and the variety of housing options but Boston is a close second as it seems best suited for a professional and for families. As for those Hartford area towns, I think I've heard of Windsor at least.
Wilmington is not part of the Northeast by the way.
I read your post wrong my apologies. After i went back i went oh
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which city is the best for black middle-class families.
Really very few in the northeast are^ and to say otherwise kind of goes against the grain. As a region, it's not great. The black cultural areas are being rapidly gentrified or if not they wallow in third-world squalor. It's expensive, it's segregated, its infrastructure is poor and the city public schools are totally dismal.
I know of some places in CT that are decent as I've met people from there.
I did not say Boston was the worst. I highlighted it as the best option in New England. I'm pretty familiar with Boston through work and while I would not move there it is certainly better than given credit for. Most of the sportsball fans are the ones who harp on it, not me.
I reluctantly voted NYC just due to culture and the variety of housing options but Boston is a close second as it seems best suited for a professional and for families. As for those Hartford area towns, I think I've heard of Windsor at least.
Wilmington is not part of the Northeast by the way.
The Northeast varies in terms of cost of living and same goes for cities, regardless of region, varying in terms of neighborhoods. All of the issues you mentioned are not exclusive to the Northeast either.
Also, the OP does mention suburbs and other factors as well.
You are stuck on CT and Boston. The Northeast has other communities, which have been mentioned, that could work for a middle class black family. Even in areas people may disregard or just don’t know or consider said places due to lack of information about them.
I didn’t start the thread, as the OP just included Wilmington.
I will mention again that the Poughkeepsie-Newburgh-Middletown metro area is one of the top 100 metro areas with one of the highest black median household incomes(I believe it is only behind DC, San Jose and maybe Honolulu), it has the smallest per capita income gap between blacks and whites, it is one of the most integrated top 100 metros in terms of housing patterns and you can find black residents throughout the metro in relatively visible to high numbers/percentages. This metro has a black percentage around the national percentage as well. So, while not perfect, this is an example of a Northeastern metro that can and does work for middle class black families.
Then, you have more suburban communities such as Scotchtown, Gardnertown, Orange Lake, Balmville, New Windsor, Washington Heights, Crown Heights and Fairview that are generally middle class and in the 10-30% black range. This isn’t including more working/middle class places like Arlington, Vails Gate and Mechanicstown in that percentage range.
There’s villages such as Highland Falls, Chester, Walden(this actor that recently passed lived there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_E._Wright ) , Montgomery and Harriman in that percentage range. Villages such as Warwick, Goshen, Washingtonville and Wappingers Falls have or until recently long time churches that worship out of the African American tradition, which means a long time black population in/around them.
This is also an area with Metro-North access on both sides of the Hudson River into NYC for employment.
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