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Here we go again with people picking cities for black people because of “price” pretty much assuming we can’t afford anything.
And no I disagree I think Philadelphia is hated in equally by everyone because of media perception. Philly, NY and NJ batting eachother is no different than La and San Fran having an anger towards eachother
Well great nightlife scene for African Americans, affordable housing, good job market, etc. I think PHL might be a great place to settle in the suburbs too. I mean compare Boston burb prices with NYC Burb prices. I didnt base it SOLEY off prices.. but multiple different factors. Id say Boston would be #2 (due to condition of Black purality towns, opportunity, how much people from Boston like it), and NYC #3. fter that its a draw. Maybe PVD would be up there.
Also, PHL is rarely, if ever, brought up in Boston where im from. And I seldom heard the name outside in Orlando or NC etc. I hear it a lot here because its 45 miles away.
Here we go again with people picking cities for black people because of “price” pretty much assuming we can’t afford anything.
And no I disagree I think Philadelphia is hated in equally by everyone because of media perception. Philly, NY and NJ batting eachother is no different than La and San Fran having an anger towards eachother
Huh?
I can't speak for Boston, but Philadelphia's media doesn't have an obsession with putting NYC down any chance it gets.
Whenever Philadelphia is bought up, it's the same old tired tropes of fans throwing snowballs at santa, a player getting pegged with batteries, how rough and gritty the city is, and of course-- Kensington and the opioid crisis and the MOVE bombing. None of these topics paint a positive picture to any black/African American outsider, and it's done on purpose.
And let's not act like NYC media doesn't do the same with Boston- bringing up 40+ year old incidents (as if America as a whole wasn't racist then) to depict it as some retrograde, sundown town that black people must avoid at all cost.
To touch on the bolded aspect, something to possibly consider, but may have to be grouped with flexibility in other areas is that the 8 most population dense incorporated municipalities that are predominantly black are in the Northeast. In order of density(2010 census data), they are Irvington NJ(18th nationally), East Orange NJ(25th), South Floral Park NY(32nd), Mount Vernon NY(33rd), Orange NJ(39th), Darby PA(61th), East Lansdowne PA(63rd) and Newark NJ(89th). Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...lation_density
Some other places that were predominantly black at the time or were very close also in the Northeast were Hempstead NY, Asbury Park NJ and Trenton NJ. Philadelphia is pluralistically more black than anything else as well. Those listed above still are predominantly black according to recent census data.
The rest are in SD's of the same name as the municipality.
In terms of population, after Newark; it is Mount Vernon, East Orange and Irvington. Those 3 have in between 50-70,000 people. I know for Mount Vernon, its northern half and eastern third of its southern half are generally at least middle class. Schools appear to be good at the elementary level in those areas, but for high school some go private or a better program like this school: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000060408 https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000060408
NYC attracts more African American transplants than Chicago does so your whole argument is weak. NYC also till this day has a more recognized African American community than Philly does.
I can guarantee you $1,000 dollars you don’t actually even know what “diluted” means because NYC’s African American population is not really diluted.
Actually! I’m willing to bet there are more African American Chicago transplants in NYC than the other way around.
You’re upset that someone prefers Philadelphia over NYC because of its more noticeable African American culture. New Yorkers and the NY media hate when we’re given our due diligence.
NYC attracts more African American transplants than Chicago does so your whole argument is weak. NYC also till this day has a more recognized African American community than Philly does.
I can guarantee you $1,000 dollars you don’t actually even know what “diluted” means because NYC’s African American population is not really diluted.
Actually! I’m willing to bet there are more African American Chicago transplants in NYC than the other way around.
This is philosophical, because “black” doesn’t mean just people will black skin. It’s a culture thing. Ny through hip hop has a stronger recognition of black culture, but relative to the size of the area. Philly feels like a more classically black place than NY. When people think of who stays in New York, they think melting pot. Philly on other hand, black is going to be one of the first things you think about. Your analysis is off. It’s like sayjng New York has bigger black influence than Jackson Ms, sure. But speaking in terms of proportionality and representation, Jackson is the blacker city by far. Chicago is blacker city than NY too. You can get mad all you want, but NY is a large melting pot city.
And like I said, the black people in New York are very different. There are large swaths of mixed and international “blacks”. Not saying that is less black, but it’s not what ppl mean they refer to black culture. By that logic, Miami is as culturally relevant to black people as Atlanta and DC. black culture and history in America is always going to be traced back to those whose roots can be traced to ( or related) back to the antebellum south.
You’re upset that someone prefers Philadelphia over NYC because of its more noticeable African American culture. New Yorkers and the NY media hate when we’re given our due diligence.
I was born in NY too. It’s just not a place with a strong traditional black culture. He’s confused because he thinks that culture of black immigrants and mix race blacks up there is on equal footing to the culture formed over hundreds of years from antebellum originated blacks, and that’s not the case. This should be obvious. There are suburbs like Freeport and Roosevelt that retain that traditional black culture, but a large swath inner city New Yorkers do not possess that culture imo. And their representation is smaller relative to the city itself. Philly is like Baltimore. You have fully black elected officials, the dialect is culturally black, etc.
I’ll put it this way, blk people from places like Philly, Bmore and Chicago have a much easier time adjusting to Atlanta than someone who has lived in the Bronx their whole life. There’s a more varied cultural tapestry in NYC that doesn’t give way to predominant cultures like very segregated and monolithic community cities.
On the flip side, someone in NYC might find adapting to south Florida (not that is is super diverse like ppl assume) a lot easier because it resembles more of an immigrant dominated culture.
^Is it really an “either or” thing though? Black people have been in what is NYC since 1613. Meaning the black population there is very complex and came in various ways. So, it is hard to say how a black person from there would adjust.
NYC has officials that come various parts of the community. So, that isn’t lacking.
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^Is it really an “either or” thing though? Black people have been in what is NYC since 1626. So, the black population there is very complex and came in various ways. So, it is hard to say how a black person from there would adjust.
Look at the history of New York City compared to other places blacks have settled. There are way more outside cultural influences there throughout history. What other cities got the influx of immigrants NYC did… besides maybe Cali? It’s just a different flare of black folks there. I will say New York did have there pockets of what I call “old school” black communities, but they have fled back down south to places like Charlotte and Atlanta. I don’t see how this is controversial unless you haven’t been to NYC and other places to compare them. There is definitely a difference culturally.
And not that our culture is completely defined by this, but a lot of my NY friends and family don’t even know how to order soul food .. or they are repulsed by it in a way my friends from other places “up north” arent. Like I said I know NYC pretty well, Im originally from the area. That blk community there is very different from others.
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