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View Poll Results: Which NE City would work best for middle class black Family?
New York City 49 14.37%
Philadelphia 176 51.61%
Boston 36 10.56%
Providence 10 2.93%
Harrisburg 11 3.23%
Newark 21 6.16%
Wilmington 20 5.87%
Jersey City 18 5.28%
Voters: 341. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-14-2021, 07:27 PM
 
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*Google using Elkins Park, when it's really Cheltenham.


Nice to see Cheltenham getting a shot-out. (+1 For picking a street that's literally right around the corner from my house)

It would be nice if the Census also shown the demographics for the "unincorporated communities" instead of the entire township, because that particular area you picked has to be at minimum %50 Black/African American. There's only 1 white family on my street, the rest are black/asian.
i always found the weird relationship between cities inside of townships in pennsylvania unnecessary.
i once witnessed a traffic stop with a jenkintown burrow police car followed by an abington township police car followed by a montgomery county sherriff police car. that $50 speeding ticket probably cost taxpayers hundreds.
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Old 06-14-2021, 09:32 PM
 
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^NY State is like this as well. You can have say the village of Valley Stream, which is within the town of Hempstead and with Nassau County. All of them have their own agencies as well.
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Old 06-14-2021, 10:10 PM
 
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i always found the weird relationship between cities inside of townships in pennsylvania unnecessary.
i once witnessed a traffic stop with a jenkintown burrow police car followed by an abington township police car followed by a montgomery county sherriff police car. that $50 speeding ticket probably cost taxpayers hundreds.
Boroughs have some powers not granted to townships, and they also get some power over the issuance of liquor licenses by the Pennsylvania Liquor Control Board (there's a borough in the western part of the state with a population of zero; its territory consists of a Slovenian social club and its golf course. The borough was formed because the club sits in a dry township, and the social organization wanted a liquor license for its clubhouse). They may also be formed to capture the value produced by a specific plot of land or activity. More commonly, they were formed because they contained denser urban settlements in mostly undeveloped townships.

Most of the communities mentioned in the posts immediately above, however, are not boroughs but unincorporated villages with no governments of their own separate from that of the township they are in. PennDOT will erect signs on state highways marking their borders, but they have no legal status. These are known as Census Designated Places in Census Bureau-speak, and not every village has that status (Melrose Park, for instance, does not).

All of the communities on the Main Line between Narberth (a borough surrounded by Lower Merion Township) and Radnor straddle the Montgomery/Delaware county line and are thus in two townships. Ardmore, Haverford and Rosemont are partly in Lower Merion and partly in Haverford Township, Bryn Mawr is split among those two and Radnor Towhship, and Villanova is shared by Lower Merion and Radnor. All of these are CDPs.
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Old 06-15-2021, 03:19 PM
 
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In terms of education, here are some high schools in Upstate NY that are at least 20% black and have graduation rates that are at or above 85%.

Albany: HOME Fall 2020 | Green Tech High (all male)
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000059776
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000059776
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000059776

https://www.albanyleadershiphigh.org/ (all female)
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000068133
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000068133
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000068133

https://bishopmaginn.org/ (private)
https://bishopmaginn.org/about/welcome/
https://nces.ed.gov/globallocator/sc...te&ID=00923969

Buffalo: Hutchinson Central Technical High School, Buffalo, NY
https://www.buffaloschools.org/PS304
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000052911
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000052911
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000052911

https://www.buffaloschools.org/PS212
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000052894
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000052894
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000052894

https://www.buffaloschools.org/domain/6860
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000074796
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000074796

https://www.buffaloartsacademy.org/
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000052923
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000052923
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000052923

https://www.buffaloschools.org/ps156
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000052936
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000052936
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000052936

https://buffsci.org/
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000057454
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000057454
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000057454

https://www.healthsciencescharterschool.org/
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000065871
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000065871
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000065871

https://tapestryschool.org/
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000052433
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000052433
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000052433

https://www.wnymcs.com/
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000057456
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000057456
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000057456

Lackawanna: https://www.globalconceptscs.org/
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000052086
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000052086
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000052086

More later...

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Old 06-15-2021, 06:04 PM
 
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^continued

Tonawanda(town, near line with Buffalo): https://www.csat-k12.org/
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000051942
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000051942
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000051942

Cheektowaga: https://www.cheektowagak12.org/Page/736
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000052345
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000052345

https://www.clevehill.org/Page/580
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000052314
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000052314
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000052314

Amherst: https://www.sweethomeschools.org/SHSHS/
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000052982
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000052982
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000052982

Rochester: https://www.rcsdk12.org/recihs
https://www.rcsdk12.org/Page/55948
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000069077
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000069077
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000069077

https://www.rcsdk12.org/58
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000050113
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000050113
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000050113

https://www.rcsdk12.org/sota
https://www.rcsdk12.org/Page/55949
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000050516
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000050516
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000050516

https://www.racschool.com/
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000061097
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000061097
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000061097

https://rochesterprep.uncommonschools.org/
https://rochesterprep.uncommonschool...ester-prep-hs/
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000059516
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000059516
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000059516

https://uprep.org/ (all male)
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000067651
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000067651
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000067651

Greece: https://youngwomenscollegeprep.org/ (all female)
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000071083
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000071083
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000071083

https://www.greececsd.org/Domain/12
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000051551
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000051551
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000051551

Irondequoit: https://www.eastiron.org/Domain/9
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000034086
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000034086
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000034086

https://bkhs.org/ (private)
https://bkhs.org/bishop-kearney/upper-school
https://nces.ed.gov/globallocator/sc...te&ID=00929483

Utica(may actually be just outside of city limits): http://www.uascs.org/
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000075839
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000075839
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000075839

Syracuse: School Home | The Syracuse City School District | Syracuse, NY
https://enrollinsyracusecityschools.com/site331.php
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000040860
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000040860
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000040860

https://www.sascs.org/
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000056174
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000056174
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000056174

Middletown: https://www.middletowncityschools.org/Domain/14
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000040387
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000040387

Troy: https://www.troycsd.org/troy-high-school/
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000039478
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000039478
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000039478

https://www.lansingburgh.org/Domain/8
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000039582
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000039582
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000039582

^Both of these districts cover portions of the city of Troy and areas just outside of the city.

Monticello: https://www.monticelloschools.net/mo...o-high-school/
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000036583
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000036583
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000036583

I believe that is it, but there are quite a few more that just miss the cut either way and depending on who you include, they would be added to the list. This goes for public(inc. charters) and private schools.
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^continued

Tonawanda(town, near line with Buffalo): https://www.csat-k12.org/
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000051942
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000051942
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000051942

Cheektowaga: https://www.cheektowagak12.org/Page/736
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000052345
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000052345

https://www.clevehill.org/Page/580
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000052314
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000052314
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000052314

Amherst: https://www.sweethomeschools.org/SHSHS/
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000052982
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000052982
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000052982

Rochester: https://www.rcsdk12.org/recihs
https://www.rcsdk12.org/Page/55948
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000069077
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000069077
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000069077

https://www.rcsdk12.org/58
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000050113
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000050113
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000050113

https://www.rcsdk12.org/sota
https://www.rcsdk12.org/Page/55949
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000050516
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000050516
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000050516

https://www.racschool.com/
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000061097
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000061097
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000061097

https://rochesterprep.uncommonschools.org/
https://rochesterprep.uncommonschool...ester-prep-hs/
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000059516
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000059516
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000059516

https://uprep.org/ (all male)
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000067651
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000067651
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000067651

Greece: https://youngwomenscollegeprep.org/ (all female)
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000071083
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000071083
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000071083

https://www.greececsd.org/Domain/12
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000051551
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000051551
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000051551

Irondequoit: https://www.eastiron.org/Domain/9
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000034086
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000034086
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000034086

https://bkhs.org/ (private)
https://bkhs.org/bishop-kearney/upper-school
https://nces.ed.gov/globallocator/sc...te&ID=00929483

Utica(may actually be just outside of city limits): http://www.uascs.org/
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000075839
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000075839
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000075839

Syracuse: School Home | The Syracuse City School District | Syracuse, NY
https://enrollinsyracusecityschools.com/site331.php
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000040860
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000040860
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000040860

https://www.sascs.org/
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000056174
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000056174
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000056174

Middletown: https://www.middletowncityschools.org/Domain/14
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000040387
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000040387

Troy: https://www.troycsd.org/troy-high-school/
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000039478
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000039478
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000039478

https://www.lansingburgh.org/Domain/8
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000039582
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000039582
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000039582

^Both of these districts cover portions of the city of Troy and areas just outside of the city.

Monticello: https://www.monticelloschools.net/mo...o-high-school/
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000036583
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000036583
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000036583

I believe that is it, but there are quite a few more that just miss the cut either way and depending on who you include, they would be added to the list. This goes for public(inc. charters) and private schools.
In terms of the bolded city, it does offer the ability to live in a very urban, walkable neighborhood, if that is what you are looking for. so, a neighborhood like Washington Park comes to mind: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.7237...6!9m2!1b1!2i37

Or this area in the South Central neighborhood, just south of Downtown: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.7267...2!9m2!1b1!2i37

The census tract they are in: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...rensselaer-ny/

There are also some middle class, SFH areas in the city as well.

Some neighborhood info: http://alloveralbany.com/archive/201...-districts-map
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy,_...Troy_map_2.svg
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Here are a few suburban towns outside of Trenton NJ(about 50% black) with “decent to good sized” black populations that are generally middle class.

https://www.lawrencetwp.com/
https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...cer-county-nj/
https://www.ltps.org/

https://www.hamiltonnj.com/
https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...cer-county-nj/
https://www.htsdnj.org/

https://www.ewingnj.org/
https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...cer-county-nj/
https://www.ewing.k12.nj.us/site/Def...spx?DomainID=1

More information: https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fa...rsey/PST045219

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...cer-county-nj/
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fa...rsey/PST045219

Trenton’s outer West Side is predominantly black and middle class as well.

What is nice is that it is in a location to where you can work in either NYC or Philadelphia too.

A predominantly black Catholic HS in the area: https://nces.ed.gov/globallocator/sc...te&ID=00867582
https://trentoncatholic.org/

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Old 06-18-2021, 03:40 PM
 
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The cheltenham boundaries are iffy and a PITA. I moved here august of 4th grade from Jersey, and we couldn’t go to Cheltenham because it was full and Myers didn’t except me because we didn’t live in the designated area. We wound up going to Myers eventually after we pulled some string.

All the children on that block attend Cheltenham Elementary but technically live in Melrose Park (Elkins Park). My address comes up as both Cheltenham or Elkins Park depending on the source but my zip is 19012.

Thank you for pointing out LaMott as well, not too many people know about it’s history and why it’s named LaMott in the first place. The schools here didn’t even teach us about LaMott, I first learned of her name in a Woman’s Studies class in college and put two and two together.

Theres also Linwood Gardens (not sure if it’s in LaMott section) and the Wyncote Towers (which also houses Drexel students) which are were middle class black families move to from Philadelphia.
Here are a couple of census tracts in the general area you are referring to in Cheltenham: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...montgomery-pa/

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...montgomery-pa/

Another census tract in Cheltenham Township that is on the border with Philadelphia: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...montgomery-pa/

Also, in terms of another Philadelphia suburb, Sharon Hill appears to be another predominantly black, middle class option: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...haron-hill-pa/
Sharon Hill Borough – 250 Sharon Avenue, Sharon Hill, PA 19079
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Sh...!4d-75.2715732

Adjacent Collingdale is another one: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...ollingdale-pa/
Collingdale Pennsylvannia
Collingdale Pennsylvannia
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Co...!4d-75.2771292

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Philadelphia by far. Affordable, urban, with a strong black culture.
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Old 06-19-2021, 01:57 AM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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The cheltenham boundaries are iffy and a PITA. I moved here august of 4th grade from Jersey, and we couldn’t go to Cheltenham because it was full and Myers didn’t except me because we didn’t live in the designated area. We wound up going to Myers eventually after we pulled some string.

All the children on that block attend Cheltenham Elementary but technically live in Melrose Park (Elkins Park). My address comes up as both Cheltenham or Elkins Park depending on the source but my zip is 19012.

Thank you for pointing out LaMott as well, not too many people know about it’s history and why it’s named LaMott in the first place. The schools here didn’t even teach us about LaMott, I first learned of her name in a Woman’s Studies class in college and put two and two together.

Theres also Linwood Gardens (not sure if it’s in LaMott section) and the Wyncote Towers (which also houses Drexel students) which are were middle class black families move to from Philadelphia.
Lynnewood Gardens is about four blocks northwest of La Mott. That large garden apartment complex had been allowed to run down since it was built in the 1950s, but its current owner has poured money into it to make it sparkle. It's now an asset to the area.

Wyncote Towers occupies a slice of the relocated Cedarbrook golf course, which I believe has moved even further out since they were built. They're right behind Cedarbrook Plaza shopping center, which is about a half mile further northwest from Lynnewood Gardens and Greenleaf at Cheltenham (the de-malled Cheltenham Square Mall). Cedarbrook has likewise been de-malled. Some duplex houses went up on the sliver of land between the apartment towers and the shopping center.

I'm guessing the "iffy" boundaries you speak of are the school attendance district boundaries. The Philadelphia City-Cheltenham Township (and Philadelphia/Montgomery county) line is pretty clear.

ZIP code 19012 is the Cheltenham post office, the only part of the township where the community name on postal mail addresses is "Cheltenham." Tookany Creek* Parkway runs through the postal zone, and there's a small, 1920s business cluster on Central Avenue in it as well, a few blocks north of where the parkway and Ashbourne Road bump into each other.

*When it crosses into the city, this stream is called Tacony Creek. I've never found out what accounts for the variation in its name.
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