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Do you mind doing Wilmington and it's suburbs, because we need some DE representation now lol. You also do a great job at compiling data. I'll do some myself later when I can use my laptop at home. I know Claymont is a decent black middle class area for families having known 2 people relocate there from Philadelphia and Jersey.
For sure…I did a little bit earlier, but I’ll try to do some around the immediate Wilmington area soon.
Isn't it weird how Boston and Philly dominate the WNBA yet have no teams? I've been saying Philadelphia needs a team badly, and so does Boston. The Basketball culture is so rich in both cities, yet they opt out and decide to go to Phoenix or Las Vegas and wonder why attendance is so low.
I never understood why lol. Expansion leagues will always do DC and NYC, CT, and then have some team in an arbitrary city in Jersey. It's like Philadelphia Boston and Baltimore don't exist.
That part of CT is more so in the Boston/Rhode Island realm and it is attached to a massive Casino/Resort it's a good fit. Las Vegas and CT make sense for WNBA teams. Boston (especially the cities of Cambridge and Lynn) is a big basketball city though. Although Hockey looms a little larger throughout the metro
Baltimore needs a WNBA team, 100% DC doesn't deserve the Mystics.
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I do agree Black Bostonians get unfairly ridiculed for their cities racist reputation more than a lot of cities. Out of all the major and minor Northeast cities Boston probably get's it the worst.
But Black Southerns get picked on still to this day. As a Black Southerner and Texan I can tell you we've gotten our fair share of stereotypes and disdain from Black folks outside the south. Not to get personal but you even generalized us as well with some not so flattering words and made no apologies about it. Fair enough it's how you feel even if I strongly disagree.
But the only reason it may seem like the South doesn't get it as bad as Boston NOW probably has more to do with the South having to grab Black Millennials and Black Gen X attention via hip-hop. The impact of pop culture made the south to that demographic more acceptable. When Andre 3K got up on that stage at the95 Source awards and said "The south got something to say" he said that because of the disrespect the south would regularly get.
And let's be real it's still only a few major cities that get some form of respect in the South. States like Mississippi/ Alabama/Arkansas/Louisiana especially.
Hell, there's even some level of the petty stereotypes and ridicule within the south. I'm originally from East Texas. Other Texans call that region the Mississippi of Texas. You don't think we get it from the bigger cities in Texas?
So it exist it's not just Boston. And honestly it seems Black Bostonians get the most disrespect in the Northeast. It seems like up there there's more competition between cities than in any part of the country. I can remember my ex from Hartford going in on cities way harder than what we do here in the South. And I'm talking about going in on the people that live there not the cities themselves.
I said somethings out of anger that were a little offensive, but they weren't totally out of nowhere. I didn't mention people being less than because they are proud of their state or the state is racist or all white. I don't take shots and I said some tuff I wouldn't usually say because I am not from there and haven't experienced it enough. That poster antagonizes me and has for a while so I just unloaded a lil bit of the smoke I had dormant i was quasi-respectful prior to that point.
I Hear you but the mainstream media isn't attacking Arkansas and East Texas-thats not on the Daily show, SNL, that's not in the LA Tines, that's not being mocked on Black-Ish (ironically Anthony Anderson had hosted several events for black organizations in Boston..), they are with Boston.
The issue is most people don't have any understanding not even a crude rudimentary one- of what Boston demographics are or what its black history is. This is not the case with Mississippi or anywhere in the south.
are people calling you an uncle tom for liking TX? No.
Are people in Atlanta jumping you because youre from Texas? No.
As for Hartford- that person has it backwards. Those are GREAT people!!! in a very very BAD city. And its not their fault the city is bad it's 100% on the state of Connecticut being downright neglectful and boring.
As for black millennials- Boston is gaining some (mostly women), slowly, but the issue is the cost. Folks are moving there for work reasons- not lifestyle reasons One thing is the black millennials who do come to Boston don't really engage in Boston’s more high density-semi-suburban black areas: naturally, they want to be where the “action” is at and that's no my at the Roxbury-Dorchester basketball game for them. I also don't think they're interested or talk to black peoples native to Boston, that's not their circle. I never talked to those people when I was in Boston-nor did my friends.
When my older brother was getting his masters at Harvard he said he other black students basically thought Harvard Square (in Cambridge) and downtown were “Boston” and it pissed him off. To me they were ”over there” basically I was way too busy with the social scene in Boston I didn't have time to think about them. But also no one in Boston living in their own city wants to hang out with people who complain and degrade the city they're in. That's not a vibe...
they’re not headed to Morabeza in Brockton or The Shipyard in Quincy or Karma Lounge in Everett. They want to bar hop locally right off campus like the white kids. The issue is local black business cannot afford $25,000 a month. By the time Boston became welcoming to different races it had priced those races out of the central real estate. What I don't get is this black people will drive all over Houston but as we say in Boston “n*ggas walk up and down newbury street, head back to their hotel, and declare no black people live here” lmaooo it’s so true though. I don’t think they envision any value add in driving around. Or they don’t have cars. .
I did have a friend from Chicago in college who worked with black Boston youth in STEM after graduating school in CT. I’d see him at house parties around Boston and he loved it-but said it was a little below North Jersey, I think that’s fair.
It's so expensive because everyone in the world except black Americans wants to be there. That makes it real expensive and not with the cost IMO. If Boston 2 bedrooms were 1700 and not 2200 it'd be worth it.
Me and the woman from Nashville that I know…
Me: how the city treating you and your kids, know I ain't Tennesse or Mississipi!
Her: Its been good! It gets overwhelming at times and its hard right now meeting people but we like it! Im still trying to get a routine and get organized before school starts
For sure…I did a little bit earlier, but I’ll try to do some around the immediate Wilmington area soon.
Just to throw a Wilmington area community out there, but New Castle a small city outside of Wilmington has a black MHHI of $69,722, a black poverty rate of 6.3%, a black educational attainment of 25.4% and it is 26.4% black non Hispanic(28.3% inc. black Hispanics and 30.5% inc. those in combo).
Another one is Bear, an area CDP, has a black MHHI of $77,500, a black poverty rate of 8.2%, a black educational attainment of 35.1% and it is 37% black non Hispanic(38.2% inc. black Hispanics and 40.6% inc. those in combo).
Middletown, another New Castle County community, has a black MHHI of $85,328, a black poverty rate of 7.9%, a black educational attainment of 31.5% and it is 26.4% black non Hispanic(27.2% inc. black Hispanics and 29.7% inc. those in combo).
Glasgow, just west of Bear, has a black MHHI of $79, 286, a black poverty rate of 7.3%, a black educational attainment of 36.6% and it is 23.8% black non Hispanic(24.4% inc. black Hispanics and 26.1% inc. those in combo).
New Castle is served primarily by the Colonial SD and partially by the Christina SD. Bear is served by the Appoquinimink, Colonial and Christina SD's. Middletown is served by the Appoquinimink and Colonial SD's. Glasgow is served by the Christina SD primarily, as well as the Appoquinimink SD.
I said somethings out of anger that were a little offensive, but they weren't totally out of nowhere. I didn't mention people being less than because they are proud of their state or the state is racist or all white. I don't take shots and I said some tuff I wouldn't usually say because I am not from there and haven't experienced it enough. That poster antagonizes me and has for a while so I just unloaded a lil bit of the smoke I had dormant i was quasi-respectful prior to that point.
I Hear you but the mainstream media isn't attacking Arkansas and East Texas-thats not on the Daily show, SNL, that's not in the LA Tines, that's not being mocked on Black-Ish (ironically Anthony Anderson had hosted several events for black organizations in Boston..), they are with Boston.
The issue is most people don't have any understanding not even a crude rudimentary one- of what Boston demographics are or what its black history is. This is not the case with Mississippi or anywhere in the south.
are people calling you an uncle tom for liking TX? No.
Are people in Atlanta jumping you because youre from Texas? No.
As for Hartford- that person has it backwards. Those are GREAT people!!! in a very very BAD city. And its not their fault the city is bad it's 100% on the state of Connecticut being downright neglectful and boring.
As for black millennials- Boston is gaining some (mostly women), slowly, but the issue is the cost. Folks are moving there for work reasons- not lifestyle reasons One thing is the black millennials who do come to Boston don't really engage in Boston’s more high density-semi-suburban black areas: naturally, they want to be where the “action” is at and that's no my at the Roxbury-Dorchester basketball game for them. I also don't think they're interested or talk to black peoples native to Boston, that's not their circle. I never talked to those people when I was in Boston-nor did my friends.
When my older brother was getting his masters at Harvard he said he other black students basically thought Harvard Square (in Cambridge) and downtown were “Boston” and it pissed him off. To me they were ”over there” basically I was way too busy with the social scene in Boston I didn't have time to think about them. But also no one in Boston living in their own city wants to hang out with people who complain and degrade the city they're in. That's not a vibe...
they’re not headed to Morabeza in Brockton or The Shipyard in Quincy or Karma Lounge in Everett. They want to bar hop locally right off campus like the white kids. The issue is local black business cannot afford $25,000 a month. By the time Boston became welcoming to different races it had priced those races out of the central real estate. What I don't get is this black people will drive all over Houston but as we say in Boston “n*ggas walk up and down newbury street, head back to their hotel, and declare no black people live here” lmaooo it’s so true though. I don’t think they envision any value add in driving around. Or they don’t have cars. .
I did have a friend from Chicago in college who worked with black Boston youth in STEM after graduating school in CT. I’d see him at house parties around Boston and he loved it-but said it was a little below North Jersey, I think that’s fair.
It's so expensive because everyone in the world except black Americans wants to be there. That makes it real expensive and not with the cost IMO. If Boston 2 bedrooms were 1700 and not 2200 it'd be worth it.
Me and the woman from Nashville that I know…
Me: how the city treating you and your kids, know I ain't Tennesse or Mississipi!
Her: Its been good! It gets overwhelming at times and its hard right now meeting people but we like it! Im still trying to get a routine and get organized before school starts
Fair enough about giving that poster the smoke. The south just caught a stray bullet I get it LOL.
Unfortunately since Boston is a major legacy city it'll always receive more publicity good or bad than areas like East Texas or Arkansas. Nobody is even thinking of those regions to mock them on a mainstream level. I don't think most people even know that much about East Texas outside of Texas neighboring states to begin with.
I think part of the reason Boston gets such a bad rep when it comes to racism is tied to Boston's sports history. Americans get a lot of their perspective from pop culture references. I think a lot of those stereotypes of Boston comes out of the 80's when the Celtics were dominating. I can remember hearing comments like "Black folks don't root for the Celtics." They were seen as the complete opposite of Detroit and LA in the 80's. In the black community then Celtics were seen as a "White Man's team". I think that influenced people's perception of the city of Boston.
I also think NYC media had a hand in pushing that narrative of Boston being this sort of White man's paradise. That plus a few more racial incidents tied to sports and the fact that every time you saw Boston in tv/film it was predominately from a White Bostonian's perspective is probably the main reason so many still look at Black Bostonians in such a negative stereotypical way.
You do bring up a good point though about Boston pricing people out as soon as it became welcoming to different races. Boston's unfair reputation plus now being too pricy doesn't give the average African American reason enough to even explore the idea of visiting or living in Boston.
For younger Millennials and Gen Z crowd they'll have to see a different Boston in pop culture to change their perception of the city.
Fair enough about giving that poster the smoke. The south just caught a stray bullet I get it LOL.
Unfortunately since Boston is a major legacy city it'll always receive more publicity good or bad than areas like East Texas or Arkansas. Nobody is even thinking of those regions to mock them on a mainstream level. I don't think most people even know that much about East Texas outside of Texas neighboring states to begin with.
I think part of the reason Boston gets such a bad rep when it comes to racism is tied to Boston's sports history. Americans get a lot of their perspective from pop culture references. I think a lot of those stereotypes of Boston comes out of the 80's when the Celtics were dominating. I can remember hearing comments like "Black folks don't root for the Celtics." They were seen as the complete opposite of Detroit and LA in the 80's. In the black community then Celtics were seen as a "White Man's team". I think that influenced people's perception of the city of Boston.
I also think NYC media had a hand in pushing that narrative of Boston being this sort of White man's paradise. That plus a few more racial incidents tied to sports and the fact that every time you saw Boston in tv/film it was predominately from a White Bostonian's perspective is probably the main reason so many still look at Black Bostonians in such a negative stereotypical way.
You do bring up a good point though about Boston pricing people out as soon as it became welcoming to different races. Boston's unfair reputation plus now being too pricy doesn't give the average African American reason enough to even explore the idea of visiting or living in Boston.
For younger Millennials and Gen Z crowd they'll have to see a different Boston in pop culture to change their perception of the city.
I’ve said that plenty of times lol New York media is terrible. Sixers fan threw popcorn on a player, it’s “Philly fans are terrible, worst fanbase in America” Boston fans Boo a player it’s “Boston, the most racist fanbase in America” Knicks fan spits on a player the media is silent, espn does a quick segment on it and pretends it never happens. I suppose we shouodjve seen this coming since ESPN is HQ in Bristol, as well as the other big sports media corporations.
Just to throw a Wilmington area community out there, but New Castle a small city outside of Wilmington has a black MHHI of $69,722, a black poverty rate of 6.3%, a black educational attainment of 25.4% and it is 26.4% black non Hispanic(28.3% inc. black Hispanics and 30.5% inc. those in combo).
Another one is Bear, an area CDP, has a black MHHI of $77,500, a black poverty rate of 8.2%, a black educational attainment of 35.1% and it is 37% black non Hispanic(38.2% inc. black Hispanics and 40.6% inc. those in combo).
Middletown, another New Castle County community, has a black MHHI of $85,328, a black poverty rate of 7.9%, a black educational attainment of 31.5% and it is 26.4% black non Hispanic(27.2% inc. black Hispanics and 29.7% inc. those in combo).
Glasgow, just west of Bear, has a black MHHI of $79, 286, a black poverty rate of 7.3%, a black educational attainment of 36.6% and it is 23.8% black non Hispanic(24.4% inc. black Hispanics and 26.1% inc. those in combo).
New Castle is served primarily by the Colonial SD and partially by the Christina SD. Bear is served by the Appoquinimink, Colonial and Christina SD's. Middletown is served by the Appoquinimink and Colonial SD's. Glasgow is served by the Christina SD primarily, as well as the Appoquinimink SD.
Can’t believe I forgot about Bear. Close friend of mine moved there and he loves it, has no plans on moving back to Philadelphia lol. I swear at least 25% of Delaware’s black population are either Philadelphia or SJ transplants by now. No sales tax, and no pension tax ! I could see myself retiring in Wilmington tbh.
Fair enough about giving that poster the smoke. The south just caught a stray bullet I get it LOL.
Unfortunately since Boston is a major legacy city it'll always receive more publicity good or bad than areas like East Texas or Arkansas. Nobody is even thinking of those regions to mock them on a mainstream level. I don't think most people even know that much about East Texas outside of Texas neighboring states to begin with.
I think part of the reason Boston gets such a bad rep when it comes to racism is tied to Boston's sports history. Americans get a lot of their perspective from pop culture references. I think a lot of those stereotypes of Boston comes out of the 80's when the Celtics were dominating. I can remember hearing comments like "Black folks don't root for the Celtics." They were seen as the complete opposite of Detroit and LA in the 80's. In the black community then Celtics were seen as a "White Man's team". I think that influenced people's perception of the city of Boston.
I also think NYC media had a hand in pushing that narrative of Boston being this sort of White man's paradise. That plus a few more racial incidents tied to sports and the fact that every time you saw Boston in tv/film it was predominately from a White Bostonian's perspective is probably the main reason so many still look at Black Bostonians in such a negative stereotypical way.
You do bring up a good point though about Boston pricing people out as soon as it became welcoming to different races. Boston's unfair reputation plus now being too pricy doesn't give the average African American reason enough to even explore the idea of visiting or living in Boston.
For younger Millennials and Gen Z crowd they'll have to see a different Boston in pop culture to change their perception of the city.
It's some crazy ish you become ‘the whites man team’ simply for having good white players! Bird and McHale we're nice!! Who doesn't want the best players??? I wasn't alive back then so I wouldn't know what the discourse was really like but, those teams had a black coach and black stars too such as JoJo White Cedric Maxwell Robert Parish Dennis Johnson.... And only 25 years before they were trailblazers for integration.
As far as media and film there's honestly been quite a few black movies set in Boston or MA and even some TV shoes with predominately black casts (City on A Hill and Survivors Remorse, but those are recent) about black bostonians. Proud Marry, Lift, Squeeze, the Inkwell, the New Edition Story, Jumping the Broom, the Equalizer 1 and 2. Then there's movies with diverse casts like Spenser Confidential (Netlfix version) and Gone Baby Gone.
When ever someone back is succeeding or doing something in Boston its like everyone gets collective amnesia.. Every time tough, it's unreal. The media does a white wash but there's also that.
But yeah from my perspective as someone who only knew the Celtics since Paul Pierce and Antoine are already the stars it has never really made sense to me all the way.
I’ve said that plenty of times lol New York media is terrible. Sixers fan threw popcorn on a player, it’s “Philly fans are terrible, worst fanbase in America” Boston fans Boo a player it’s “Boston, the most racist fanbase in America” Knicks fan spits on a player the media is silent, espn does a quick segment on it and pretends it never happens. I suppose we shouodjve seen this coming since ESPN is HQ in Bristol, as well as the other big sports media corporations.
I don't know anything about what the NY media says but yea.
I was annoyed but not surprised by how booing kyrie became Bosotn is hella racist. He left the team on bad terms, reneged on his promise, the called the city racist before he even ever came back about 18 months after saying he never experienced racism in Boston, then he comes back, wipes his feet on the logo and everyone is surprised someone one person (from Rhode Island) threw a water bottle at him. Why would he have done that if he wasn't trying to anger the fans. Nothing racist had happened so I feel like he was trying to get "proof"
He and Jaylen Brown did not get along like that because Jaylen actually gets involved with the local community, he's at gals for kids, the statehouse, working with local baller in his free time, he lives IN the city, goes to parties and clubs in the city, autograph signings and puts on events at malls where the urban population is, talks with Boston rappers etc etc. He was named Bostonians of the Year this year. He said he didn't appreciate Kyrie using racism for personal gain and cited areas like education, political leadership, and wealth gap that Boston needed to work on which I hella appreciated. He takes the time to actually understand the city immerse himself in it.
“The first thing I heard when I got drafted here was Boston was historically racist,” fourth-year guard Jaylen Brown said. “But you see certain things outside of the city and within the city of Boston that is very diverse and very eclectic. It’s fast-paced. It is probably a lot different than it used to be known for. You see a lot of changes, a lot of different things where people come together. … This city has really grown on me.”
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“When I first got there, I asked my [Celtics] assistant coach Jerome Allen, who is from Philly, where can I go to get some soul food, some fried chicken or something,” Tatum said. “Slade’s was the first place that he recommended. That is my go-to place.”
Tatum, too, had heard about Boston’s reputation upon being drafted by the Celtics in 2017 but says he has never had any problems.
Pierce notes that many of today’s players have gotten to know Boston more now that the Celtics’ practice facility moved to the new 70,000-square-foot Auerbach Center in June 2018. It is located at Boston Landing at the New Balance World Headquarters, which can be seen from the Massachusetts Turnpike.
“Everything is within a 10-minute radius,” Pierce said. “A lot of players have condos out there now. That is good. Players can gravitate toward [Boston] and will be embraced by the fans when they are out and about.”
Kyrie lived in super white suburban Weston, and never showed his face in the city. He was the race-neutral guy and now all of a sudden he's Mr woke? Please..save it.
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