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View Poll Results: Which NE City would work best for middle class black Family?
New York City 49 14.37%
Philadelphia 176 51.61%
Boston 36 10.56%
Providence 10 2.93%
Harrisburg 11 3.23%
Newark 21 6.16%
Wilmington 20 5.87%
Jersey City 18 5.28%
Voters: 341. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-07-2021, 03:21 AM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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This tells me 1. white parents are sending their children to private schools at a large rate 2. There's a lot of Black Philadelphians using a relative's address so they can attend the school (I had several friends guilty of that lol)
Given that the school does well, why 1?

You really don't need to answer that question; I think I know the answer already: Fear of a Black High School.

I have heard, however, that the price Cheltenham Township residents pay for their schools is fairly high property taxes.
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Old 09-07-2021, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Yeah, I felt the same way about Providence and even places like Warwick, Cranston and even Newport. I think you hit on it in that some are Cape Verdean, from West Africa or are Afro Hispanics. So, it likely is a matter of who one includes or if they use what I call diaspora numbers.
Yea I gotta remember 7-8% is black alone, non-hispanic. It's probably more like 11-12% which was more the feel of Woonsocket. Eventually, we'll get the more comprehensive stats...eventually. Ironically some of my social circle from Boston had to move out there. It's a faded city with a lot of semi-abandoned mills, odd apartments and old bridges. But its interesting architecturally, cohesive, and very economically diverse. Providence was the same as it always is.

Boston itself feels less black than 20 years ago. But there are definitely more of us downtown and in surrounding communities, than there were, which was more noticeable than the small numerical decline in the city IMO. Census numbers vetted by the BPDA show an increased number of black singles in more central areas. The pulse of the black community is definitely not genuinely in Roxbury anymore but rather in Southern Dorchester and Hyde Park.

I was able to go on a fantastically black party boat with about 200 people, a pretty mature crowd too-felt a little more like an NYC/DC crowd so it was pleasantly surprising. But in true Boston fashion, it ended at 10 pm lol-but that was more than enough time for folks to make the 5-minute drive over to the Theatre/Club District. After enjoying some of the nightlife I can say with confidence it's improved a good deal over the last ~8 years.
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Old 09-07-2021, 10:21 AM
 
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^ More from PA…

Gateway High(Monroeville): https://futurereadypa.org/Performanc...35043178117103
https://futurereadypa.org/School/Fas...71026005077015

East Allegheny Jr/Sr High(North Versailles): https://futurereadypa.org/Performanc...35043178117103
https://futurereadypa.org/School/Fas...19058185103209

Penn Hills: https://futurereadypa.org/Performanc...35043178117103
https://futurereadypa.org/School/Fas...81142056167036

Pittsburgh Allderdice High: https://futurereadypa.org/Performanc...35043178117103
https://futurereadypa.org/School/Fas...44000112117146

Pittsburgh CAPA: https://futurereadypa.org/Performanc...35043178117103
https://futurereadypa.org/School/Fas...60090086217052

Pittsburgh Obama: https://futurereadypa.org/Performanc...35043178117103
https://futurereadypa.org/School/Fas...27252214246125

Pittsburgh Science and Technology Academy: https://futurereadypa.org/Performanc...35043178117103
https://futurereadypa.org/School/Fas...89178073070115

Academy at Palumbo(Philadelphia): https://futurereadypa.org/Performanc...35043178117103
https://futurereadypa.org/School/Fas...68141207042233

Bodine High(Philadelphia): https://futurereadypa.org/Performanc...35043178117103
https://futurereadypa.org/School/Fas...89228248227037

Carver High(Philadelphia): https://futurereadypa.org/Performanc...35043178117103
https://futurereadypa.org/School/Fas...06212151013005

Creative Performing Arts(Philadelphia): https://futurereadypa.org/Performanc...35043178117103
https://futurereadypa.org/School/Fas...44206054072125

I’ll stop there, with more later…
More...

Girard Academy Music Program(Philadelphia): https://futurereadypa.org/Performanc...35043178117103
https://futurereadypa.org/School/Fas...22027216242160

Girls High(Philadelphia): https://futurereadypa.org/Performanc...35043178117103
https://futurereadypa.org/School/Fas...45190191225037

Hill Freedman World Academy(Philadelphia): https://futurereadypa.org/Performanc...35043178117103
https://futurereadypa.org/School/Fas...55141025236173

Lankenau High(Philadelphia): https://futurereadypa.org/Performanc...35043178117103
https://futurereadypa.org/School/Fas...39102070213130

Motivation High(Philadelphia): https://futurereadypa.org/Performanc...35043178117103
https://futurereadypa.org/School/Fas...72181074110081

Parkway Center City Middle College High(Philadelphia): https://futurereadypa.org/Performanc...35043178117103
https://futurereadypa.org/School/Fas...82037108250251

Parkway Northwest(Philadelphia): https://futurereadypa.org/Performanc...35043178117103
https://futurereadypa.org/School/Fas...24192187174142

Paul Robeson HS for Human Services(Philadelphia): https://futurereadypa.org/Performanc...35043178117103
https://futurereadypa.org/School/Fas...03218151167003

Saul W B Agricultural School(Philadelphia): https://futurereadypa.org/Performanc...35043178117103
https://futurereadypa.org/School/Fas...45071013028003

Science Leadership Academy(Philadelphia): https://futurereadypa.org/Performanc...35043178117103
https://futurereadypa.org/School/Fas...03153110091097

Swenson Arts & Technology High(Philadelphia): https://futurereadypa.org/Performanc...35043178117103
https://futurereadypa.org/School/Fas...24171189028020

The Science Leadership Academy at Beeber(Philadelphia): https://futurereadypa.org/Performanc...51227245122070
https://futurereadypa.org/School/Fas...93081044114129

I'll stop there, but some other schools like Aliquippa, Monessen, Rochester and Lancaster's McCaskey High are some others that fit the criteria.
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Old 09-07-2021, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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More...

Girard Academy Music Program(Philadelphia): https://futurereadypa.org/Performanc...35043178117103
https://futurereadypa.org/School/Fas...22027216242160

Girls High(Philadelphia): https://futurereadypa.org/Performanc...35043178117103
https://futurereadypa.org/School/Fas...45190191225037

Hill Freedman World Academy(Philadelphia): https://futurereadypa.org/Performanc...35043178117103
https://futurereadypa.org/School/Fas...55141025236173

Lankenau High(Philadelphia): https://futurereadypa.org/Performanc...35043178117103
https://futurereadypa.org/School/Fas...39102070213130

Motivation High(Philadelphia): https://futurereadypa.org/Performanc...35043178117103
https://futurereadypa.org/School/Fas...72181074110081

Parkway Center City Middle College High(Philadelphia): https://futurereadypa.org/Performanc...35043178117103
https://futurereadypa.org/School/Fas...82037108250251

Parkway Northwest(Philadelphia): https://futurereadypa.org/Performanc...35043178117103
https://futurereadypa.org/School/Fas...24192187174142

Paul Robeson HS for Human Services(Philadelphia): https://futurereadypa.org/Performanc...35043178117103
https://futurereadypa.org/School/Fas...03218151167003

Saul W B Agricultural School(Philadelphia): https://futurereadypa.org/Performanc...35043178117103
https://futurereadypa.org/School/Fas...45071013028003

Science Leadership Academy(Philadelphia): https://futurereadypa.org/Performanc...35043178117103
https://futurereadypa.org/School/Fas...03153110091097

Swenson Arts & Technology High(Philadelphia): https://futurereadypa.org/Performanc...35043178117103
https://futurereadypa.org/School/Fas...24171189028020

The Science Leadership Academy at Beeber(Philadelphia): https://futurereadypa.org/Performanc...51227245122070
https://futurereadypa.org/School/Fas...93081044114129

I'll stop there, but some other schools like Aliquippa, Monessen, Rochester and Lancaster's McCaskey High are some others that fit the criteria.
Did I miss the one where you listed Central and Masterman, or do those not fit the criteria?

Julia Reynolds Masterman Laboratory School (grades 6-12) is usually the top-ranked high school in Pennsylvania as well as the only high school in the state to make the annual U.S. News & World Report Honor Roll of the 50 best high schools in the nation.

Central High School, Philadelphia's oldest public high school, is not as difficult to get into as Masterman (both are academic magnet high schools), but it's also highly ranked, usually making the lists of 10 top high schools in the state. And of those 10, it has far and away the most diverse student body. The buses I take between my East Germantown home and the subway pass right by it, and if I'm riding at school dismissal time, I get reminded forcefully just how diverse Central's student body is.
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Old 09-07-2021, 11:21 AM
 
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To just add some more information for the Albany area, here are some leadership references: https://www.albanyny.gov/531/Common-Council-Leadership
https://www.albanyny.gov/566/Common-...-Members-Wards

https://www.cityofschenectady.com/Directory.aspx?EID=9

https://www.albanycounty.com/governm...egislator-list (Districts 1-4, 7 and 12)

https://twitter.com/chiefhawkinsapd?lang=en

https://www.albanyschools.org/people.../kaweeda-adams

https://nystrs.org/About-Us/Retireme...liver-Robinson (a suburban SD in southern Saratoga County)

https://www.union.edu/presidents-office (in Schenectady)

https://sunysccc.edu/About-Us/Colleg...ent/index.html

https://president.rpi.edu/president-biography (in Troy)

In terms of other suburbs/towns besides Colonie, Niskayuna outside of Schenectady, Guilderland, East Greenbush, Rotterdam, Clifton Park and Ravena/Selkirk area have visible black middle residents.

You also have small satellite cities such as Watervliet, Cohoes and Rensselaer with visible black population, with Watervliet having a decent black middle class.

There are a few in Saratoga Springs, which also has had a long time black population due to its horse racing/tourist history. The area just west of Downtown was/is where the black community is concentrated. https://www.saratoga.com/aboutsarato...k-allen-lodge/

Memories and Preservation at the Frederick Allen Lodge in Saratoga Springs, New York - Engaged Anthropology at Skidmore College

An arts district in that area of town: https://saratogaartdistrict.com/

Here are some sports references of those that went to suburban public schools: https://ukathletics.com/sports/women...via-owens/8183

https://bceagles.com/sports/football...n-barlow/12995

https://brownbears.com/sports/footba...ew-bolton/9667 (Shaker is in the North Colonie SD)

https://www.liuathletics.com/sports/...la-sanford/787

https://uvmathletics.com/sports/mens...h--powell/8341 (Colonie Central is in the South Colonie SD)

https://ualbanysports.com/sports/foo...d-igweike/7794

In terms of private schools, there are quite a few, but besides Bishop Maginn and Albany Academy, schools such as Mekeel Christian in Scotia, LaSalle Institute in Troy(boys), Bishop Gibbons-Notre Dame in Schenectady, Christian Brothers Academy just out side of Albany(boys), Academy of the Holy Names in Albany(girls), Doane Stuart in Rensselaer and Catholic Central in Troy are options some may go with.
In terms of the bolded school, this US Congressman originally from Schenectady and of African American and Afro Puerto Rican descent graduated from there: https://delgado.house.gov/about

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoni...do_(politician)
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Old 09-07-2021, 01:55 PM
 
Location: 215
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Given that the school does well, why 1?

You really don't need to answer that question; I think I know the answer already: Fear of a Black High School.

I have heard, however, that the price Cheltenham Township residents pay for their schools is fairly high property taxes.

Bingo.
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Old 09-07-2021, 02:47 PM
 
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Some other high schools in NY that fit the criteria...

Baldwin High: https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000049569
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000049569

Malverne High: https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000049537
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000049537

Valley Stream Central High: https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000049246
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000049246

Valley Stream South High: https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000049244
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000049244

Sewanhaka High(Floral Park): https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000049240
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000049240

Elmont Memorial High: https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000049237
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000049237

Westbury High: https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000049199
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000049199

Cardozo High(Queens): https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000042131
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000042131

Bridgehampton: https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000036803
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000036803

North Babylon High: https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000037825
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000037825

Bay Shore High: https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000037217
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000037217

Midwood High(Brooklyn): https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000043525
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000043525

Brooklyn College Academy: https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000043532
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000043532

I'll stop there for now.
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Old 09-08-2021, 08:38 AM
 
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Did I miss the one where you listed Central and Masterman, or do those not fit the criteria?

Julia Reynolds Masterman Laboratory School (grades 6-12) is usually the top-ranked high school in Pennsylvania as well as the only high school in the state to make the annual U.S. News & World Report Honor Roll of the 50 best high schools in the nation.

Central High School, Philadelphia's oldest public high school, is not as difficult to get into as Masterman (both are academic magnet high schools), but it's also highly ranked, usually making the lists of 10 top high schools in the state. And of those 10, it has far and away the most diverse student body. The buses I take between my East Germantown home and the subway pass right by it, and if I'm riding at school dismissal time, I get reminded forcefully just how diverse Central's student body is.
I believe Central barely missed by percentage, while Masterman was in the mid teens in percentage.

Central information: https://futurereadypa.org/Performanc...35043178117103
https://futurereadypa.org/School/Fas...66142096178208

Masterman information: https://futurereadypa.org/Performanc...35043178117103
https://futurereadypa.org/School/Fas...82005046203183
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Old 09-08-2021, 10:11 AM
 
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Some other high schools in NY that fit the criteria...

Baldwin High: https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000049569
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000049569

Malverne High: https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000049537
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000049537

Valley Stream Central High: https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000049246
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000049246

Valley Stream South High: https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000049244
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000049244

Sewanhaka High(Floral Park): https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000049240
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000049240

Elmont Memorial High: https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000049237
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000049237

Westbury High: https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000049199
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000049199

Cardozo High(Queens): https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000042131
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000042131

Bridgehampton: https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000036803
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000036803

North Babylon High: https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000037825
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000037825

Bay Shore High: https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000037217
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000037217

Midwood High(Brooklyn): https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000043525
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000043525

Brooklyn College Academy: https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000043532
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000043532

I'll stop there for now.
Some more from NY...

Woodlands Middle/High(Greenburgh SD based in Hartsdale in Westchester County): https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000035499
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000035499

Alexander Hamilton High(Elmsford in Westchester County): https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000035477
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000035477

Denzel Washington School of the Arts(Mount Vernon): https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000060408
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000060408

Freeport High: https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000049586
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000049586

West Hempstead High: https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000049297
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000049297

Amityville High: https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000037769
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000037769

Walter G. O'Connell High(Copiague): https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000037796
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000037796

Nyack High(in Rockland County): https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000039191
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000039191

Manhattan Center High of Science and Math(East Harlem): https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000046781
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000046781

Central Park East High(Manhattan): https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000046813
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000046813

Park East High(Manhattan): https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000046822
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000046822

Young Women's Leadership(Manhattan): https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000046730
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000046730

Gorton High(Yonkers): https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000034750
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000034750

Palisade Prep(Yonkers): https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000062316
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000062316

Riverside High(Yonkers): https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000034740
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000034740

Roosevelt High-Early College(Yonkers): https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000034733
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000034733

Maybe more later...
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Old 09-08-2021, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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I believe Central barely missed by percentage, while Masterman was in the mid teens in percentage.

Central information: https://futurereadypa.org/Performanc...35043178117103
https://futurereadypa.org/School/Fas...66142096178208

Masterman information: https://futurereadypa.org/Performanc...35043178117103
https://futurereadypa.org/School/Fas...82005046203183
A few comments in response.

First, thank you for introducing me to the state Education Department's "FutureReadyPA" website. It displays relevant data on school performance in a clear and understandable fashion, and you can then drill down to get a breakdown by racial/ethnic/socioeconomic/immigrant status.

Second, I found the notably lower percentage of Blacks enrolled in academically rigorous courses at Central a little disturbing. This seems to me to play into the rather common practice of placing Black students in courses less challenging than they can handle out of some belief that they are not intellectually up to the task. The percentage of Black students enrolled in such courses at Masterman is too small for the Commonwealth to report it, but there is an Instagram account called "Black at Masterman" that is a safe space for Black students there to report racist behavior and assumptions on the part of the faculty and other non-Black students there.

Third, you might note that 0.9 percent of Central students are enrolled in college courses. This brings up an unusual distinction for the school: Central High School is AFAIK the only public high school in the country that has the authority to confer bachelor's degrees on graduates. To get a baccalaureate degree from Central, you essentially have to take collegiate-level courses on top of your high-school ones for the last two years that you are there.
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