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View Poll Results: Which NE City would work best for middle class black Family?
New York City 49 14.37%
Philadelphia 176 51.61%
Boston 36 10.56%
Providence 10 2.93%
Harrisburg 11 3.23%
Newark 21 6.16%
Wilmington 20 5.87%
Jersey City 18 5.28%
Voters: 341. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-16-2021, 12:10 PM
 
Location: 215
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To be fair, for Northeastern cities with at least 100k people, I believe Allentown, Bridgeport, Buffalo, Brockton, Cambridge, Lowell, Manchester, Quincy, Syracuse, Waterbury, Worcester and Yonkers are the only ones that increased in black population from 2010 to 2020. All, but Buffalo, Cambridge and Yonkers increased in black percentage as well. I may have missed a city or two. I know that Albany just missed getting to 100k by 776 people, but also saw an increase in black population and percentage.

I believe out of all of these cities mentioned, Bridgeport, Buffalo, Brockton, Syracuse and Yonkers are the only ones with a predominantly/pluralistically more black and relatively middle class area(and/or at least the black population is) within the city.
All of this is irrelevant. 99% of black families without any bias would rather live on the roughest block in Mattapan than a moderate block in Kensington. That's the truth.

I would dread raising a family here as a black man in his early twenties since 90% of my neighbors and neighborhood residents would be from the silent generation or baby boomers; There's no neighborhood for bougie "new-money" black people under the age of 30 in this city- they've all went to ATL, DC, or LA.
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Old 12-16-2021, 12:33 PM
 
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All of this is irrelevant. 99% of black families without any bias would rather live on the roughest block in Mattapan than a moderate block in Kensington. That's the truth.

I would dread raising a family here as a black man in his early twenties since 90% of my neighbors and neighborhood residents would be from the silent generation or baby boomers; There's no neighborhood for bougie "new-money" black people under the age of 30 in this city- they've all went to ATL, DC, or LA.
Wait, what about Mount Airy or parts of Germantown, that have been mentioned on here before? I believe parts of the Wynnefield area as well.
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Old 12-16-2021, 12:52 PM
 
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Wait, what about Mount Airy or parts of Germantown, that have been mentioned on here before? I believe parts of the Wynnefield area as well.
Germantown; perhaps, yes. Mt. Airy also to a degree- closer towards the germantown border or East Mt. Airy.

West Mt. Airy is largely white and liberal similar to Chestnut Hill without less wealth, so that's a definite no.

The others; no- they're full of lifelong generational residents (silent generation) or baby boomers that have been there since the 80s. This is true especially in the well-off parts of the Oak Lanes.

The ideal neighborhood for me to raise a family would be a majority-black version of Manayunk. Wynnefield and the Northwest is too suburban for my liking and too old for the most part.

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Old 12-16-2021, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Buffalo, NY
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Are people in Buffalo coming from NYC?
Buffalo had a net positive of people moving to/from NYC in the last few years.
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Old 12-16-2021, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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All of this is irrelevant. 99% of black families without any bias would rather live on the roughest block in Mattapan than a moderate block in Kensington. That's the truth.
Seriously.

A really rough block in Mattapan:
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2860...7i16384!8i8192

A moderate block in Kensington:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9879...7i16384!8i8192
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Old 12-16-2021, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Boston Metrowest (via the Philly area)
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Seriously.

A really rough block in Mattapan:
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2860...7i16384!8i8192

A moderate block in Kensington:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9879...7i16384!8i8192
In all honesty I'm not seeing a huge difference in desirability, there, but to each their own, I suppose. Mattapan just has more trees.

Is Boston, pound for pound, in better shape than Philadelphia? Obviously, but the point is that there are many different options outside of destitution and squalor. You're portraying a false proposition.

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Old 12-16-2021, 03:17 PM
 
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This census tract is in (West) Medford MA: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...-middlesex-ma/

Street views: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4167...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4184...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4170...7i16384!8i8192

Its black poverty rate is 4.6%: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...ST5Y2019.S1701

Its black family poverty rate is 0%: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...ST5Y2019.S1702

Its black MHHI is $67,679: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...ST5Y2019.S1903

and it is 24.2% black alone(27.9% inc. in combo): https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...NNIALPL2020.P1
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...NNIALPL2020.P2

Some historical information: The Ville - West Medford's Black Neighborhood | Freedom's Way National Heritage Area
https://www.medfordhistorical.org/me...rance-project/


Just to get away from cities for a bit, but this census tract is in the village of Westbury NY and covers neighborhoods like Sherwood Gardens and Birchwood Knolls: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...039-nassau-ny/

Street views: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7677...6!9m2!1b1!2i37

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7672...6!9m2!1b1!2i37

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7739...2!9m2!1b1!2i37

Its black poverty rate is 2.5%: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...ST5Y2019.S1701

Its black family poverty rate is 0%: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...ST5Y2019.S1702

Its black MHHI is $149,125: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...ST5Y2019.S1903

and it is 37.2%(40.5% inc. in combo): https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...0US36059303900
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...NNIALPL2020.P2
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Old 12-16-2021, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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In all honesty I'm not seeing a huge difference in desirability, there, but to each their own, I suppose. Mattapan just has more trees.
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That’s ludicrous.
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Old 12-16-2021, 05:34 PM
 
Location: Boston Metrowest (via the Philly area)
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That’s ludicrous.
Sorry you have a difference of opinion, but that doesn't make it "ludicrous." Even if marginally better, a rough neighborhood is a rough neighborhood.
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Old 12-16-2021, 07:17 PM
 
Location: Boston Metrowest (via the Philly area)
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The others; no- they're full of lifelong generational residents (silent generation) or baby boomers that have been there since the 80s. This is true especially in the well-off parts of the Oak Lanes.

The ideal neighborhood for me to raise a family would be a majority-black version of Manayunk. Wynnefield and the Northwest is too suburban for my liking and too old for the most part.
Unfortunately, you're greatly underselling Philadelphia, and unfairly scapegoating the city due to an uptick in crime that's a national issue of concern--but that's another thread (literally).

You may not personally prefer the neighborhoods ckhthankgod mentioned, but the point still stands that they're all viable and long-standing historically black or diverse neighborhoods in Philadelphia proper with a substantial middle-class.

In fact, West Mt. Airy was long ahead of its time relative to integration:

https://www.philadelphiafed.org/comm...al-integration
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