Which of these Northeastern/Midwestern cities is the most nationally recognized? (ranking, best)
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St Louis has nice suburbs and the everyday citizens you meet during your travels are wonderful people, but Cleveland’s better location, suburbs and beautiful lake are game changers for me. I can totally understand the other side of the coin though, too, that’s why there’s 52 flavors of ice cream!
St Louis has nice suburbs and the everyday citizens you meet during your travels are wonderful people, but Cleveland’s better location, suburbs and beautiful lake are game changers for me. I can totally understand the other side of the coin though, too, that’s why there’s 52 flavors of ice cream!
I prefer Milwaukee to Cleveland and St. Louis. It's a very underrated city, and proximity to Chicago is a big plus. Also, Milwaukee's downtown is located right on Lake Michigan, with a beautiful beachfront, condos along the lake, beaches, parks, etc. No comparison, I don't believe. And, a river runs through downtown Milwaukee....it's similar to a smaller Chicago. Again, nothing in any of these other cities compares with Milwaukee's lakefront.
This is exactly where I was going. Having grown up in the STL area, I can say that the Arch, the Cardinals, and Anheuser-Busch are pretty much the three nationally recognized things about STL. I do think the Zoo is right there too, but I’m fine if others don’t think it is.
And I still stick to what I’m saying about Terminal Tower. No one knows what it is. No one sees it on a postcard and goes, “That’s Terminal Tower in Cleveland!”
Obviously, people are going to know Gateway Arch better than they would Terminal Tower. It is a nationally known tourist attraction families take their kids to and ride cable cars to the top... People ride to the top of Terminal Tower, too, but it's not nearly as fun as the Arch, which now also features a large historical museum at its base - it can take hours, even days, to reserve seats on a GA cable car to the top.
Terminal Tower is known these days by the more encompassing name: Tower City, designating its entire complex, as some locals find the former name somewhat ominous and off-putting. That the larger public is less familiar with the complex is their loss, as it is one of the finest examples of TOD in the nation; despite the loss of intercity trains and most of its stores (in the TC mall), doesn't diminish that it is, perhaps, the best downtown rapid transit station -- both physically beautiful, but highly functional given its several blocks, city-within-a-city presence connecting, indoors, several large office buildings, 2 major hotels, the Higbee's dept store-turned-casino and, more recently, the Cavs 20K-seat sports arena (Rocket Mortgage Fieldhouse) as well as 200+ apartments retrofitted inside the tower itself.
Just a stroll through the entrance portico off Pubic Square is an experience in itself, to wit:
Obviously, people are going to know Gateway Arch better than they would Terminal Tower. It is a nationally known tourist attraction families take their kids to and ride cable cars to the top... People ride to the top of Terminal Tower, too, but it's not nearly as fun as the Arch, which now also features a large historical museum at its base - it can take hours, even days, to reserve seats on a GA cable car to the top.
I guess I'm struggling to understand how the Terminal Tower was injected into this debate then? If the subject title is regarding "which city is more recognized". You are acknowledging that the Arch is going to be more recognized, as much as many posters have admitted to not being aware of Terminal Tower. So what is the point of continuing discussing if not only for the sake of boosting? What am I missing?
I prefer Milwaukee to Cleveland and St. Louis. It's a very underrated city, and proximity to Chicago is a big plus. Also, Milwaukee's downtown is located right on Lake Michigan, with a beautiful beachfront, condos along the lake, beaches, parks, etc. No comparison, I don't believe. And, a river runs through downtown Milwaukee....it's similar to a smaller Chicago. Again, nothing in any of these other cities compares with Milwaukee's lakefront.
I prefer Milwaukee to Cleveland and St. Louis. It's a very underrated city, and proximity to Chicago is a big plus. Also, Milwaukee's downtown is located right on Lake Michigan, with a beautiful beachfront, condos along the lake, beaches, parks, etc. No comparison, I don't believe. And, a river runs through downtown Milwaukee....it's similar to a smaller Chicago. Again, nothing in any of these other cities compares with Milwaukee's lakefront.
Milwaukee is my favorite of these, and the only one I'd seriously live in without much hesitation.
It is like a miniature Chicago, and Sheboygan is like a miniature Milwaukee. Funny how those lakeshore cities all kind of follow a similar model.
Milwaukee deserves to be just as high on this list as anything besides St. Louis in terms of notoriety.
I mean, good grief, Harley Davidson alone should be enough to put it up there with Pittsburgh and the Steelers. You still have to be a football fan to pay much attention to Pittsburgh, while Harley is fashion company that happens to sell motorcycles kind of like an overly popular sports team.
A lot of people are just voting for their favorite city it seems, which isn't the purpose of this thread.
Nationwide, all these city's names are well-known for something.
St. Louis is the easiest to at least conjure up an image of for the average person nationally that isn't geeked out about one of the others.
I guess I'm struggling to understand how the Terminal Tower was injected into this debate then? If the subject title is regarding "which city is more recognized". You are acknowledging that the Arch is going to be more recognized, as much as many posters have admitted to not being aware of Terminal Tower. So what is the point of continuing discussing if not only for the sake of boosting? What am I missing?
Ah, perhaps you need to read the entire post, not just part of it. I was not the one who took the discussion into "landmarks" beyond cities, so please don't blame me for it. It's not boosting, it's attempting to educate -- just as I am open learning from others about their city that I don't know about (ie Rochester vs. Cleveland) -- never been to Rochester, but posters are educating me that it appears an interesting place; I don't see that as boosterism-- perhaps it is to the close-minded or simply have an agenda. It's too bad some people see that as mere boosting, esp from one, such as myself, who is open to other ideas. But hey, I guess education is a no-no thing these days...
I prefer Milwaukee to Cleveland and St. Louis. It's a very underrated city, and proximity to Chicago is a big plus. Also, Milwaukee's downtown is located right on Lake Michigan, with a beautiful beachfront, condos along the lake, beaches, parks, etc. No comparison, I don't believe. And, a river runs through downtown Milwaukee....it's similar to a smaller Chicago. Again, nothing in any of these other cities compares with Milwaukee's lakefront.
I liked Milwaukee a lot and think it’s a underrated city, and this is based off 25 years ago. I can only imagine it’s gotten better? With that said, don’t sell Cleveland’s lake front on Erie short? And while I agree Milwaukee’s proximity to Chicago is huge, it’s still pretty isolated. Cleveland isn’t terribly far from the east coast, and you can leave late morning / early afternoon and be in NYC, DC, Philly, Toronto, (and Chicago) in the evening. I know it wouldn’t be doing it as much as some going to Chicago from Milwaukee, but it does give a lot of options for doable weekend road trips, or for those with family on the east coast.
As for the thread question I think St. Louis is probably the best known, or should I say people know the most about? But it’s not leaps and bounds over the others. If you take sports out of the equation (and a lot of people aren’t sports fans) each city has maybe 1-2 things that might conjure up images, St. Louis just has a few more.
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