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Old 04-19-2021, 03:15 PM
 
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Regarding LA and FWIW, LA Metro is just now expanding its rail system to serve the western and central areas that are densely populated with people and jobs. The Crenshaw northern line extension is on deck and is projected to have as many as 13,000 riders per mile over 7-10 miles. It would be far and away the busiest light rail line in the US on a per mile basis and I'm not aware of a US heavy rail line that has that high of a ridership per mile outside of the NYC metro.

LA is going to be far and away the #2 rail system in the US by 2040 and maybe on par with Toronto.
Has LA met projections for anything though?
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Old 04-19-2021, 03:42 PM
 
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Congrats to San Diego, but let's be real, the people riding the trolley would otherwise be on the bus. Meanwhile, the people on BART and the DC Metro would otherwise be in their cars. Therefore, the COVID hit to the essential workers using the trolley was much lighter than it was for the WFH crowd in DC, SF, etc.
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Old 04-19-2021, 03:49 PM
 
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Regarding LA and FWIW, LA Metro is just now expanding its rail system to serve the western and central areas that are densely populated with people and jobs. The Crenshaw northern line extension is on deck and is projected to have as many as 13,000 riders per mile over 7-10 miles. It would be far and away the busiest light rail line in the US on a per mile basis and I'm not aware of a US heavy rail line that has that high of a ridership per mile outside of the NYC metro.

LA is going to be far and away the #2 rail system in the US by 2040 and maybe on par with Toronto.
Do you mean light rail or heavy? LA ain't passing DC Metro in our lifetimes. There's still expansions and all kinds of plans taking place in DC that will keep it ahead of LA. You can hope to crack the top 4 maybe, and with the expansions coming LA it can hope for top three. But NYC and DC are probably the most transit oriented metro areas in the country overall. LA may go up in tier, but still be after those two, and probably after Chicago as well if they begin to make more rail expansions there.
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Old 04-19-2021, 04:19 PM
 
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I live in Gaslamp... a massive reason there has been so many riders is because there a barely any tickets checks so now 75% of the city jumps on the LR for free
Sounds like a good thing. Fewer people driving, isn't that the point?
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Old 04-19-2021, 04:27 PM
 
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Do you mean light rail or heavy? LA ain't passing DC Metro in our lifetimes. There's still expansions and all kinds of plans taking place in DC that will keep it ahead of LA. You can hope to crack the top 4 maybe, and with the expansions coming LA it can hope for top three. But NYC and DC are probably the most transit oriented metro areas in the country overall. LA may go up in tier, but still be after those two, and probably after Chicago as well if they begin to make more rail expansions there.
31% of New York MSA workers commute by transit, compared to 12% in DC, 12% in Chicago, and 11% in LA, and 11% in Philly.

New York is the only "transit-oriented area" in the country and still less than a third of workers commute via transit. Chicago's system is more impressive given the fact that its subway network is on-par with DC's, plus it has a more extensive commuter rail network. So I find it very interesting that you lump in DC with New York. Just no.
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Old 04-19-2021, 04:32 PM
 
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Has LA met projections for anything though?
LA's Expo Line opened in 2012 and by 2016 it had already hit its 2030 projections. Doesn't fit the narrative of "everyone in LA drives" though, so many aren't aware.
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Old 04-19-2021, 04:38 PM
 
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LA's Expo Line opened in 2012 and by 2016 it had already hit its 2030 projections. Doesn't fit the narrative of "everyone in LA drives" though, so many aren't aware.
It was a genuine question. Sometimes projections are more sales tactics than anything.

LA has a higher transit share than “progressive” Portland I believe. And I think any Rust Belt City not named Chicago.
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Old 04-19-2021, 04:56 PM
 
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LA is waaay below that. Per the 2019 Census ACS:

LA metro: 4.8% transit commute
Portland metro: 6.7% transit commute
SD metro: 3.0% transit commute

Those all all pretty bad, really.
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Old 04-19-2021, 06:16 PM
 
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31% of New York MSA workers commute by transit, compared to 12% in DC, 12% in Chicago, and 11% in LA, and 11% in Philly.

New York is the only "transit-oriented area" in the country and still less than a third of workers commute via transit. Chicago's system is more impressive given the fact that its subway network is on-par with DC's, plus it has a more extensive commuter rail network. So I find it very interesting that you lump in DC with New York. Just no.
You're wrong actually not me.

By city:

US cities with high transit ridership:

1. New York City, New York – 56.5%

2. Jersey City, New Jersey – 47.6%

3. Washington, D.C. – 37.4%

4. Boston, Massachusetts – 33.7%

5. San Francisco, California – 33.1%

6. Cambridge, Massachusetts – 28.6%

7. Chicago, Illinois – 27.6%

8. Newark, New Jersey – 26.7%

9. Arlington, Virginia – 26.4%

10. Yonkers, New York – 26.4%

11. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania – 26.2%

12. Alexandria, Virginia – 21.7%

13. Berkeley, California – 21.6%

14. Oakland, California – 20.3%

15. Seattle, Washington – 20.1%

16. Daly City, California – 19.8%

17. Baltimore, Maryland – 18.6%

18. Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania – 17.0%

19. Hartford, Connecticut – 16.6%

20. Stamford, Connecticut – 14.1%

21. Richmond, California – 14.0%

22. Edison, New Jersey – 13.4%

23. New Haven, Connecticut – 13.3%

24. Minneapolis, Minnesota – 13.1%

25. Portland, Oregon – 12.1%

26. Paterson, New Jersey – 11.9%

27. Bellevue, Washington – 11.8%

28. Buffalo, New York – 11.7%

29. Miami, Florida – 11.4%

30. Elizabeth, New Jersey – 11.3%

31. Ann Arbor, Michigan – 11.2%

32. East Los Angeles, California – 10.9%

33. Bridgeport, Connecticut – 10.8%

34. Cleveland, Ohio – 10.5%

35. Los Angeles, California – 10.6%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...nsit_ridership

By metro area:

MSAs by Percentage of Workers Using Public Transportation, 2019

31.6% New York-Newark-Jersey City
18.9% San Francisco-Oakland-Berkeley
13.3% Boston-Cambridge-Newton
13.0% Washington-Arlington-Alexandria
12.3% Chicago-Naperville-Elgin
10.6% Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue
9.3% Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington
6.6% Portland-Vancouver-Hillsboro
6.0% Pittsburgh
5.2% Baltimore-Towson
4.7% Los Angeles-Long Beach-Anaheim
4.7% San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara
4.5% Denver-Aurora-Lakewood
4.4% Minneapolis-St Paul-Bloomington
3.4% Providence-Warwick
3.4% Salt Lake City
2.9% Buffalo-Cheektowaga
2.9% Milwaukee-Waukesha
2.8% Las Vegas-Henderson-Paradise
2.8% Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach
2.8% San Diego-Chula Vista-Carlsbad
2.7% Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Alpharetta
2.6% Cleveland-Elyria
2.4% Hartford-East Hartford-Middletown
2.1% New Orleands-Metairie
2.1% Sacramento-Roseville-Folsom
1.9% Austin-Round Rock-Georgetown
1.9% Houston-The Woodlands-Sugar Land
1.8% San Antonio-New Braunfels
1.7% Louisville-Jefferson County
1.7% Phoenix-Mesa-Chandler
1.7% Rochester
1.7% St Louis
1.6% Columbus
1.6% Richmond
1.5% Charlotte-Concord-Gastonia
1.5% Tucson
1.5% Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News
1.4% Cincinnati
1.3% Detroit-Warren-Dearborn
1.2% Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington
1.2% Grand Rapids-Kentwood
1.1% Jacksonville
1.1 Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario
1.0% Tampa-St Petersburg-Clearwater
0.9% Nashville-Davidson-Mufreesboro-Franklin
0.8% Kansas City
0.7% Raleigh-Cary
0.6% Indianapolis-Carmel-Anderson
0.4% Memphis
0.4% Oklahoma City
0.3% Birmingham-Hoover

Source: data.census.gov

I didn't say DC rivals NY in transit. I said those two are the most transit oriented. Although Boston and SF are right there, as is Chicago, and by percentage compare. Los Angeles is not in the picture, and shown no signs becoming the #2 transit city in America by 2040. I have no idea why that assertion would be made.
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Old 04-19-2021, 06:34 PM
 
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LA is waaay below that. Per the 2019 Census ACS:

LA metro: 4.8% transit commute
Portland metro: 6.7% transit commute
SD metro: 3.0% transit commute

Those all all pretty bad, really.
Pitiful really.
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