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I'm not sayin the OP meant for this but I feel like the arbitrary 4 million thing just ends up making Phoenix look bad.
There are a bunch of metros that are just a little smaller than Phoenix which have similar or even worse hip hop scenes, like Denver, San Diego, Portland, Las Vegas, Twin Cities, but since they can't be included Phoenix is getting beat up (as usual for these boards) even though it's not that different than a lot of it's peer metros.
Well Phoenix and Seattle are both fast-growing metros that only recently passed the 4 million mark, so now they gotta play with the big boys. They can't beat up on Denver and Portland anymore.
Seattle has a strong musical legacy in terms of rock music (Jimi Hendrix, Nirvana, all the 90s grunge bands, etc.) that can compete with almost any major city but clearly it's mediocre at best (and that's being generous) in terms of hip-hop. Phoenix really has minimal musical legacy and is pretty poor for Rock and terrible for hip-hop, at least for now. But maybe that will change - who knows.
When those other metros you mentioned cross the 4 million mark, they'll have to compete with tougher competition as well.
I second this. Also, why would NICKELODEON be doing a tv show based on a Houston rapper.
I usually agree with Nigerian Nightmare but this was an odd take. Especially the part of Don Toliver. Toliver’s album cover is more Houston centric than any album cover I’ve ever seen. And he’s always mentioning local restaurants and lyrics like “in the H bumpin screw” etc. he did say he “wouldn’t know since he’s not a fan” but thats what he should’ve left it at.
The only rapper from Houston that completely excludes Houston centric themes is Lizzo, but her interviews make up for it. She even did that dance in front of Shipley Donuts. I’m not even mad at her. It’s ok to step out.
The first thing I see when you look up Don Tolliver is an article where the first line is about how he uses very little Houston influences, and it’s an interview with him. That’s the first line, now if he had a problem with that line he would have spoke up about it, is all I’m saying.
A good chunk of album covers are city specific, especially rap. Jay Cole’s arguably most iconic album is called Forest Hills Drive. I kid you not I’ve never heard someone reference the Fayetteville rap scene. Even though that’s where he’s from. Because no one thinks Jay Cole’s music is the essence of Fayetteville, because while the place influences his music, it’s not sonically in his music.
I’m going to try to respond to you and both Redlion in this post. I read The Rolling Stones article. I already bop Maxo, Tisakorean and have heard of OMB Bloodbath (her music wasn’t for me, but I can see how people like it) and of course Don Tolliver. The guys I haven’t heard about. Are even described as underground artists. Even if you look up young Houston artists they don’t pop up. Clout isn’t everything but I kid you not you’ll see the same views count when looking for young Denver or San Diego. Also to clarify I have tons of songs on my playlist under a million views even a couple on 30,000 views. But view count and the actual playability of a song whether it’s brilliantly written or undeniably catchy is related. Luck has something to do with it. But even Lil Pumps often terrible music had amazing production value, we’re often catchy and used solid beats. Hence why Gucci Gang got like 60 remixes with lyricists on it.
BTW, reggie seems like a really dope artist, and liked his music the most out of those featured that I didn’t know.
Lastly the Rolling Stones article had an average age over 25 for the featured artists, I also don’t think their was a single teen mentioned. Like I said when talking young artists, Dallas simply has more. Miami, LA, NYC, Chicago, Detroit all have more. I’ve already talked to Redlion about the, “theirs no local culture in music”. Because personally I have a 10/10- California, NYC, Florida, Chicago radar. As in their music is very region centric and it’s easy to tell. Everything from beat selection to word choice to accent makes it obvious. Now theirs more generic music but lots of cities have identifiable local scenes that make sense in my honest opinion.
Houston’s Oldheads make the biggest music in the city and it has been this way since these guys were Young. Then of course we have our 4-5 superstars that also support the city heavily. On top of that Houston has less young artists than most cities of it size. I can’t name 5-6 of the top of my head Dallas teens that average a couple hundred thousand views per song. I’ve never in my life looked up Dallas music. Their music finds me. I just noticed Dallas has buzzing young artists.
I won’t say artists I don’t listen to don’t make good music. But it’s not like these artists are getting millions of views and I’m just hating. I legitimately think a song is meh or mid, and the view count reflects my opinion. I don’t make music so I won’t say it’s bad, but not every song makes my playlist, and im not gonna put a Houston artist on my playlist if I don’t think they don’t legitimately make good music to my sensibilities. I basically thrown my back out doing the mop, which is one of the few songs that’s actually local and basically only viral in Texas, although it got significant tiktok buzz for a while. And while the song is moderately popular now, I was turning up to it the day it dropped because I support Houston artists that make good music. Same with Maxo’s COLORS. I don’t even like Don Tolliver’s music outside his big songs for example, so it’s not like I support Houston rappers who only have clout.
Im not even going to respond to everything individually here. Most of this post is showing articles on the internet. You pull up a Texas Monthly article to reference hip hop? What’s next? A fitness magazine to rank the best fast food chains in America? Somewhere above you admitted you barely know anything Don Toliver… I on the other hand am a fan. Don Toliver uses more Houston influence than Travis Scott.
Advice: don’t cite Texas Monthly for hip hop. Some Don Toliver songs even sample DJ Screw.
The only thing the rest of your post is telling us is that Houston’s rotation of hot rappers is more consistent. By the time Lay Lay breaks out, Travis and Toliver will already be 30/nearing 30. As Lay Lay’s career advances and some other young rapper from Houston blows up, she will be at the top of her game just older than before while the yo and coming rappers are on the come. That’s all you’re saying is that the rotation is more consistent.
Except for one point in time around 2010-13 or so when Cham/Paul/Thug/etc were on the downward slope portion of their career and the hot rappers were leaning towards Propain, Kirko Bangz, Marcus Manchild, etc. and guess why then the younger guys were hotter… because no major rapper was big at that time. Again, all your post is saying is that the rotation in Houston is more consistent just like anywhere that has a similar effecg
A lot of Boston artists are a little too real in what they rap about. It ultimately makes the place infertile because the violence is endemic but without the Chicago appeal/market. And I don't think it is a reality felt by most Bostonians
A lot of Boston artists are a little too real in what they rap about. It ultimately makes the place infertile because the violence is endemic but without the Chicago appeal/market. And I don't think it is a reality felt by most Bostonians
The 1st one..... If you wouldn't have told me it was from Boston I would've assumed ATL. Not a fan of how the NE rappers are riding the southern wave.
BTL EK -Soul Was my favorite one of the bunch.
And the way that man kept pronouncing Massachusetts... wth
The first dude as in Poleboy D Rose or Cousin Stizz? Poleboy D Rose doesn't sound ATL to me I could see that with Stizz though.
EDIT: order got mixed up in your quote somehow. Yea Stizzy lives in LA now and is signed to RCA so his sound is more generic.
...yea BTL EK was a solid running back at Brockton High School. He's just constantly getting booked on fentanyl charges which is pretty common in Brockton in general, sadly. Most of these Boston/Brockton dudes don't give themselves a chance.
Last edited by BostonBornMassMade; 08-06-2021 at 10:12 PM..
The only reason Houston is looked at as better is because of what it USED to be. Travis Scott is big but most people that know or heard of him probably won't know or care if he's from Houston. Megan the stallion is the most current act that's big and if that's all Houston is riding on these days then yeah.....Dallas is it....Thanks but no thanks....
±1, big up miixtapechiick. she a boston girl too, rite.
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