Cleveland OH vs KCMO for urban living (best, better, crime)

[Taggerung]

KCMO vs CLE, which one is best for urban living in 2021, based on

-Amenities
-Walkability
-COL
-Recreation/things to do
-Public transportation
-Crime
-Neighborhood character
-Architecture
-Shopping
-Inner ring suburbs
-'Vibrancy'
-Foot traffic
-Infrastructure
Central business district
-Misc

[Metal To The Core]

Wow, both of these cities are on nearly the same level in a lot of these categories. Despite being more of a fan of 18th-century waterfront cities, I would choose to live in KCMO between the two. I have family there, plus Cleveland's winters are probably more brutal (which isn't saying a lot haha).

[Taggerung]

Originally Posted by Metal To The Core

Wow, both of these cities are on nearly the same level in a lot of these categories. Despite being more of a fan of 18th-century waterfront cities, I would choose to live in KCMO between the two. I have family there, plus Cleveland's winters are probably more brutal (which isn't saying a lot haha).

I think Cleveland winters are slightly more harsh.

Cleveland during the winter months Dec-March

Median high temp: 39.5F
Median low temp: 26F

KCMO
Median high temp: 42.5F
Median low temp: 26.5F

But, this is only about 'urban living,' so weather doesn't factor into the consideration.

[annie_himself]

Originally Posted by Taggerung

I think Cleveland winters are slightly more harsh.

Cleveland during the winter months Dec-March

Median high temp: 39.5F
Median low temp: 26F

KCMO
Median high temp: 42.5F
Median low temp: 26.5F

But, this is only about 'urban living,' so weather doesn't factor into the consideration.

Weather definitely matters exactly because of urban living. I would imagine the lake effect makes a difference when walking to a bus stop in winter.

[austiNati]

Cleveland because of Lakewood and Little Italy, plus rapid transit. KC ain't no slouch though

[GraniteStater]

Cleveland, more interesting inner ring suburbs, and in a much better geographical location closer to other metro areas.

[OyCrumbler]

Both of them got hit hard by things like this, yea?

[Taggerung]

Originally Posted by OyCrumbler

Both of them got hit hard by things like this, yea?

That's really depressing to look at.

I've spent some time in KCMO, easily one of the worst things about the city is the obnoxious freeway spaghetti encircling the CBD area....

[Cleverfield]

I’ve never been to KC but I know someone who’s moving here to Cleveland from there. He said that downtown Cleveland’s revitalization reminds him a lot of KC’s recent revitalization. I think there may be more blight in Cleveland overall, but Cleveland has more dense old suburbs (Cleveland Heights, Shaker Heights, Lakewood) than KC. Also he said nothing in KC compares to our Little Italy, which to me is really like a small slice of gentrifying Brooklyn.

[sub]

Cleveland would be more urban generally speaking, and has the cooler weather which is nice. Personally, I would find Kansas City much more realistic as a place to live, and easier to deal with.
KC might not be as urban as some of its peers to the east, but it’s not exactly sunbelt either. It has large enough areas of urbanism to get the job done.
I do like the Great Lakes and the countryside around Cleveland is a lot nicer than people might think.
But yeah, KC would still be preferable.