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Miami is smaller than Sf and Boston, 36 square miles.
SF 46.9 sq mi Miami 55.25
Then you have to nit-pic how much is water and that is the catch for Boston in the nic-pic. Now I realize why I used a rounded off 90 sq/mi for Boston.
Boston has an area of 89.63 square miles (232.1 km2)—48.4 square miles (125.4 km2) (54%) of land and 41.2 square miles (106.7 km2) (46%) of water.
You can play with land stats. Still in corrections we should say in city borders that Boston is just shy of 90 sq/mi and in land only 48 sq/ mi.
Lots to play the C-D game with I see. Guess you learn how some play. I'll assume your Miami and SF stats are land only minus water.
Until you realize the HOA fees are almost as high as the principal, and that property taxes alone are $400 a month.
Suddenly that $250k starts to look like a $500k mortgage when you add in the hidden fees. Not quite as jawdropping anymore.
This isn't even uncommon in Chicago. Have a look around the Loop. Immensely cheap housing with very high taxes and fees lurking just a layer below.
I mean, it's still a bargain relative to Boston, but Boston has the luxury of being a very desirable city with no areas of third-world poverty like South Side: https://www.niche.com/places-to-live...uffolk-ma/#map
Until you realize the HOA fees are almost as high as the principal, and that property taxes alone are $400 a month.
Suddenly that $250k starts to look like a $500k mortgage when you add in the hidden fees. Not quite as jawdropping anymore.
This isn't even uncommon in Chicago. Have a look around the Loop. Immensely cheap housing with very high taxes and fees lurking just a layer below.
I mean, it's still a bargain relative to Boston, but Boston has the luxury of being a very desirable city with no areas of third-world poverty like South Side: https://www.niche.com/places-to-live...uffolk-ma/#map
Anything with a C or lower is how Niche classifies the ghetto.
I agree that there is a lot of smoke and mirrors with the whole Chicago being affordable thing. Condos are often reasonably priced but yes, those HOAs and taxes can hit you hard. And SFHs are very expensive in most of the desirable neighborhoods on the north and west sides. The ones that are more reasonable are in neighborhoods that are far flung, residential, not well connected to transit, and not great housing stock. Or they are quite simply unsafe. I do think there are a number of up and coming areas in Chicago where you can still get a SFH for a somewhat reasonable price.
#1 and most important....Boston has higher wages is more educated - 49% of metro has a degree vs. 39% of Chicago. Avg metro wages are nearly 30% higher than metro Chicago's and trail only the Bay Area and Metro NY.
2. Atlantic cuts off more land than Lake Michigan. Inexpensive NW Indiana suburbs are geographically in Cape Cod Bay if overlaid into Boston.
3. New England town development limits new construction in reasonably close in areas. Weston, Wayland, and Sudbury are just 15-20 miles from DT Boston with just 700-800 ppsm. Hingham, Cohasset, Scituate on the South Shore same thing.
#1 and most important....Boston has higher wages is more educated - 49% of metro has a degree vs. 39% of Chicago. Avg metro wages are nearly 30% higher than metro Chicago's and trail only the Bay Area and Metro NY.
2. Atlantic cuts off more land than Lake Michigan. Inexpensive NW Indiana suburbs are geographically in Cape Cod Bay if overlaid into Boston.
3. New England town development limits new construction in reasonably close in areas. Weston, Wayland, and Sudbury are just 15-20 miles from DT Boston with just 700-800 ppsm. Hingham, Cohasset, Scituate on the South Shore same thing.
Avg wages are higher in NYC than Bos? Im not too sure about that
Avg wages are higher in NYC than Bos? Im not too sure about that
I believe it’s San Jose, SF, DC, Boston, and Seattle in that order. NY metro is below as far as median income, though as we all know, the top tier areas of NY MSA are higher than those in all other cities with the exception of SF and LA.
Then you have to nit-pic how much is water and that is the catch for Boston in the nic-pic. Now I realize why I used a rounded off 90 sq/mi for Boston.
Boston has an area of 89.63 square miles (232.1 km2)—48.4 square miles (125.4 km2) (54%) of land and 41.2 square miles (106.7 km2) (46%) of water.
You can play with land stats. Still in corrections we should say in city borders that Boston is just shy of 90 sq/mi and in land only 48 sq/ mi.
Lots to play the C-D game with I see. Guess you learn how some play. I'll assume your Miami and SF stats are land only minus water.
Yeah because the Ocean is not very useful to build on
Boston is more expensive because it is more desirable (for all the reasons already mentioned in this thread) throughout the entire city. Little (if any part) of Boston is vacant or abandoned. Whereas in Chicago, only parts of it are desirable (including its wonderful core, northside and a few southside neighborhoods). Other parts are much less desirable and some neighborhoods frankly appear to be vacating with little to no replacement construction. Some of this reminds me of Detroit except I think Chicago does a better job of clearing vacant housing once it becomes an eyesore.
Even the core and northside are being infected with ghettoism or worse. I've thought about moving to Chicago but while you can find apts for cheap with utilities included($600 for studios), the out-of-control crime rate with an AG and judges that take an hands-off approach, a crazy sales tax, a grocery tax, just gives me pause. The rents in the good areas that aren't affected by the dregs of society are so out my price range they aren't that much higher than the good areas of Boston.
Speaking of Boston the wages in my industrial field are the same if not higher than Chicago. Less tax is taken out of my check. It's also just as dense and walkable. They just gotta fix the apt costs and do a better job on crime(still way better than Chicago).
Then you have to nit-pic how much is water and that is the catch for Boston in the nic-pic. Now I realize why I used a rounded off 90 sq/mi for Boston.
Boston has an area of 89.63 square miles (232.1 km2)—48.4 square miles (125.4 km2) (54%) of land and 41.2 square miles (106.7 km2) (46%) of water.
You can play with land stats. Still in corrections we should say in city borders that Boston is just shy of 90 sq/mi and in land only 48 sq/ mi.
Lots to play the C-D game with I see. Guess you learn how some play. I'll assume your Miami and SF stats are land only minus water.
36 Square miles is land. You grabbed the number including water for both Miami and Boston (initially)
No sane person would call that a nit pick...you're being odd.
Then you have to nit-pic how much is water and that is the catch for Boston in the nic-pic. Now I realize why I used a rounded off 90 sq/mi for Boston.
Boston has an area of 89.63 square miles (232.1 km2)—48.4 square miles (125.4 km2) (54%) of land and 41.2 square miles (106.7 km2) (46%) of water.
You can play with land stats. Still in corrections we should say in city borders that Boston is just shy of 90 sq/mi and in land only 48 sq/ mi.
Lots to play the C-D game with I see. Guess you learn how some play. I'll assume your Miami and SF stats are land only minus water.
Yeahh we dont use water lol
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