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How is NB and Fall River in the bottom tier with Pittsfield MA LOL
and LEWISTON and HOLYOKE are two tiers above?
KEENE IS THREE THREE TIERS ABOVE
Is this just the list of how much you like the cities?
Damn, I didn't even see Keene... There's too much Northern New England on here.
Missing some key Connecticut cities like East and West Hartford Middletown Waterbury
Keene is like...Willimantic CT or Woonsocket RI. If that, there's 23,000 people in Keene, NH. Smaller than Milton, MA. Keene State has fewer students than Curry College...
Missing some key Connecticut cities like East and West Hartford Middletown Waterbury
Middletown is on mine. I didn’t include West/East Hartford for the same reason I didn’t include Cambridge, Waltham, or Quincy. Waterbury I did just forget. Would probably put it in the same group as Brockton, Lynn, etc.
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Keene is like...Willimantic CT or Woonsocket RI. If that, there's 23,000 people in Keene, NH. Smaller than Milton, MA. Keene State has fewer students than Curry College...
Thought about including those two. Agree that they’re a similar caliber though I think Woonsocket and Willimantic are more run down than Keene. I’d lump them in with New London.
I guess we're looking at individual municipalities and not MSAs. If that's the case, then why is Cambridge so low?
It has the fourth highest population in the state of Mass, it has arguably two of the greatest universities in the world located within its borders, a gigantic pharmaceutical presence and better nightlife than anywhere in New England except Boston, Providence and maybe New Haven.
I guess we're looking at individual municipalities and not MSAs. If that's the case, then why is Cambridge so low?
It has the fourth highest population in the state of Mass, it has arguably two of the greatest universities in the world located within its borders, a gigantic pharmaceutical presence and better nightlife than anywhere in New England except Boston, Providence and maybe New Haven.
Cambridge has no suburbs. Or look where Kendall Sq is. It’s Boston CBD sprawl not a “Downtown Cambridge”. There is a reason Lowell, not Cambridge has a UMass and a Minor league Baseball team or Manchester has an ECHL team, AA Baseball and two TV stations.
Cambridge has no suburbs. Or look where Kendall Sq is. It’s Boston CBD sprawl not a “Downtown Cambridge”. There is a reason Lowell, not Cambridge has a UMass and a Minor league Baseball team or Manchester has an ECHL team, AA Baseball and two TV stations.
I'm trying to think of what could be considered a Cambridge suburb. Arlington/Belmont are getting warm. Waltham kind of feels like a surburb of Newton and Watertown is kind of split between Newton/Cambridge influences with a nod toward Newton. Of course they are all still Boston suburbs first and foremost.
In a way Porter/Teele/Ball Squares area up through Tufts feels like a part of Cambridge moreso than Boston
I'm trying to think of what could be considered a Cambridge suburb. Arlington/Belmont are getting warm. Waltham kind of feels like a surburb of Newton and Watertown is kind of split between Newton/Cambridge influences with a nod toward Newton. Of course they are all still Boston suburbs first and foremost.
In a way Porter/Teele/Ball Squares area up through Tufts feels like a part of Cambridge moreso than Boston
I think Newton would be more a Waltham Suburb than vice versa.
If you are breaking off Cambridge from Boston, then Cambridge is no lower than Tier 2. Possibly, above Hartford. Kendall Square, MIT, Biotech capitol of the world and Pharma Leader that developed 1 COVID vaccine and is an intricate role in developing the other one.
Drawing the lines for NH / Merrimack Valley cities is really hard.
The traditional pairings would be Lowell/Lawrence and Manchester/Nashua but I don't think that captures exactly right.
Technically Manchester/Nashua is one MSA and the borders are hillsborough county. This is the wonkiest MSA you could imagine:
Manchester/Nashua definitely have a strong connection, especially with the route 3 corridor through Merrimack. However those bounds are a fat no for me and Nashua feels better paired with Lowell than Manchester overall. Lawrence is paired with Haverhill
If anything I would pair Manchester with Concord, which is its own MSA technically speaking.
Derry and Londonderry have a strong connection to both Manchester and Nashua, but I would put the edge to Manchester. Manchster gets places like Auburn, Chester, Raymond, Bedford, Candian, Hooksett
Places like Kingston/East Kingston, Hampton, Exeter are really hard to place between Newburyport and Portsmouth. I think I would edge to Portsmouth honestly on all of them or give Exeter it's own micro MSA with those places and throw in Epping, Stratham, Brentwood into Exeter MSA
Portsmouth gets really dicey between the issue above and the issue of Rochester, NH. If we want to chuck everything from both camps, including Rochester and all its outlying towns up to the boarder of Laconia MSA into Portsmouth it really balloons the MSA to a ridiculous size given the population of the anchor city. But at the same time it wouldn't really be wrong either.
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