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IN a normal year Boston's homicide rate is 2x Seattle, with singular Boston neighborhoods recording more homicides than Seattle as a city as recently as 2020. Other than 02021 and 2022 its always had much higher gun crime and homicide tally's as a city.
I did not mention crime though. I mentioned attitude and segrgation. Boston is objectively much more segregated (that's not debatable) and with black people living in more high-density urban areas. This results in a more isolated and maintained black culture- generally. No need for crime reels.
Seattle had 50 murders in 2020, Boston had 57, with a fairly similar population. Speaks to the point that the two cities are similar. In 2021 and 2022, Seattle has a higher murder rate than Boston, but again they are pretty close.
When you zoom out to the Metro, Seattle's crime rate is quite a bit higher though.
Seattle had 50 murders in 2020, Boston had 57, with a fairly similar population. Speaks to the point that the two cities are similar. In 2021 and 2022, Seattle has a higher murder rate than Boston, but again they are pretty close.
When you zoom out to the Metro, Seattle's crime rate is quite a bit higher though.
i meant 2019. Dorchester (6 square miles) had 32 homicides in 2020 Seattle had 28 in 2019. THought it was the same year. in 2019 Boston still had ~30 more homicides than Seattle. In a much smaller space. Over the course of our lifetimes, much more gun crime has occurred in Boston. And in a much smaller land area. The people reflect that in their music.
But also i never mentioned crime. . I said inner-city, segregated, and with an aggressive attitude. I think most of us agree Bostonians tend to be more aggressive than Seattleites right? Also, the city is more urban and dense. And more segregated. The latter two are objective facts. The black % census tracts are far higher in Boston than in Seattle which sort of incubates the local black culture (hip hop). GRanted few of Boston mainstream rappers come from such places as their rapid typically very aggressive and not very marketable (the videos I linked too)
So why are we correlating people's general attitude and levels of urbanity with a crime in Suburban Seattle? Ironically Boston saw far more non-fatal shooting victims than Seattle despite lower homicide totals even in 2020 an 2021. So this crime thing is even more hollow.
This is off-topic but actually it reinforces my point that Boston is pretty different from Seattle in yet another way.
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i meant 2019. Dorchester (6 square miles) had 32 homicides in 2020 Seattle had 28 in 2019. THought it was the same year. in 2019 Boston still had ~30 more homicides than Seattle. In a much smaller space. Over the course of our lifetimes, much more gun crime has occurred in Boston. And in a much smaller land area. The people reflect that in their music.
But also i never mentioned crime. . I said inner-city, segregated, and with an aggressive attitude. I think most of us agree Bostonians tend to be more aggressive than Seattleites right? Also, the city is more urban and dense. And more segregated. The latter two are objective facts. The black % census tracts are far higher in Boston than in Seattle which sort of incubates the local black culture (hip hop). GRanted few of Boston mainstream rappers come from such places as their rapid typically very aggressive and not very marketable (the videos I linked too)
So why are we correlating people's general attitude and levels of urbanity with a crime in Suburban Seattle? Ironically Boston saw far more non-fatal shooting victims than Seattle despite lower homicide totals even in 2020 an 2021. So this crime thing is even more hollow.
This is off-topic but actually it reinforces my point that Boston is pretty different from Seattle in yet another way.
It depends on how you define suburban - compared to Phoenix, Seattle's neighborhoods are more urban and the areas we're talking about are more concentrated with black culture. In terms of aggressiveness - that's the stereotype for Upper-Middle Class White and Asian Seattleites and it generally holds true for them. But the people of color in Seattle and a lot of the more working-class Whites do not fit that stereotype at all.
ANyway - there are differences obviously between Boston and Seattle but I've spent a lot of time in both and there are a lot of similarities too.
i meant 2019. Dorchester (6 square miles) had 32 homicides in 2020 Seattle had 28 in 2019. THought it was the same year. in 2019 Boston still had ~30 more homicides than Seattle. In a much smaller space. Over the course of our lifetimes, much more gun crime has occurred in Boston. And in a much smaller land area. The people reflect that in their music.
It's hard to calculate over that time period, but just by doing a little research it's clear Seattle was also a lot more dangerous in the 80s and 90s in terms of murder rate, etc than it is now, as I'm sure Boston was. Also, you can definitely find places concentrated with Black folks in the Seattle metro, including South Seattle, South King Co. and Tacoma. A fair amount of rappers come out of those areas, most of them just aren't very good.
It depends on how you define suburban - compared to Phoenix, Seattle's neighborhoods are more urban and the areas we're talking about are more concentrated with black culture. In terms of aggressiveness - that's the stereotype for Upper-Middle Class White and Asian Seattleites and it generally holds true for them. But the people of color in Seattle and a lot of the more working-class Whites do not fit that stereotype at all.
ANyway - there are differences obviously between Boston and Seattle but I've spent a lot of time in both and there are a lot of similarities too.
If anything I think an 'urban; Seattle culture is probably more permeable/visible for someone not of that culture than an 'urban' Boston culture because it is much more widespread physically and it's also more visible downtown. In addition to that it's racially diverse in ways Bostons URBAN innercity culture (specifically inner-city Boston sub-neighborhoods but even some of its urban Sattelite cities 'hoods') really aren't in that they're overwhelmingly black and (afro) Latino. There's less of the white working-class left in the Boston area than in the Seattle area in my estimation. Makes sense that more (white) people would come across that culture in Seattle.
Like in Boston most black kids like myself are attending schools that are 0-5% white in neighborhoods that are 85-95% black and Latino. That's not a thing in Seattle where the public schools are nearly 50% white. IN a city that's 1/4th as black. Add to this how parochial/neighborhood-based/insular Boston can be amongst all groups/classes. Those are pretty significant differences in background. Its not that im unaware of crime in the Seattle Metro but I think the way it plays out from what I've seen and read is pretty different.
From what I've seen of Seattle and especially Tacoma it's highly suburban and integrated compared to Boston. Certainly not compared to when I was in Vegas though.
It's hard to calculate over that time period, but just by doing a little research it's clear Seattle was also a lot more dangerous in the 80s and 90s in terms of murder rate, etc than it is now, as I'm sure Boston was. Also, you can definitely find places concentrated with Black folks in the Seattle metro, including South Seattle, South King Co. and Tacoma. A fair amount of rappers come out of those areas, most of them just aren't very good.
Boston peaked at 153 homicides in 1990. Seattle's record was 69 in 1969. Roxbury Alone recorded 44 homicides in a year. It's 4 square miles. It's a different type of thing we're talking about. more so than now, Boston was in a different league of that sort of violence back then. The homicide rate peaked at 26.5 closer to 30.0 like NYC and LA at that time. Seattle's peak homicide rate put it at like 13 per- where Boston was in ~2005.
You can find black concentrations but you are not gonna find the 70%+ black census tracts you will in Boston. Not nearly as many. 20 Years ago many Boston census tracts were 90-95% black. when I was a kid..
I've heard Lil Mosey (though he is from north of Seattle) and some other rappers from there. I agree. Blueberry Faygo is a huge song with more views than any rapper from Dallas or Boston. It's just he's one guy. Lil Mosey is very known IDK if he's more for the younger crowd though. HEs like on the Spongebob soundtrack. I can't really listen to his stuff like that.
If anything I think an 'urban; Seattle culture is probably more permeable/visible for someone not of that culture than an 'urban' Boston culture because it is much more widespread physically and it's also more visible downtown. In addition to that it's racially diverse in ways Bostons URBAN innercity culture (specifically inner-city Boston sub-neighborhoods but even some of its urban Sattelite cities 'hoods') really aren't in that they're overwhelmingly black and (afro) Latino. There's less of the white working-class left in the Boston area than in the Seattle area in my estimation. Makes sense that more (white) people would come across that culture in Seattle.
Like in Boston most black kids like myself are attending schools that are 0-5% white in neighborhoods that are 85-95% black and Latino. That's not a thing in Seattle where the public schools are nearly 50% white. IN a city that's 1/4th as black. Add to this how parochial/neighborhood-based/insular Boston can be amongst all groups/classes. Those are pretty significant differences in background. Its not that im unaware of crime in the Seattle Metro but I think the way it plays out from what I've seen and read is pretty different.
From what I've seen of Seattle and especially Tacoma it's highly suburban and integrated compared to Boston. Certainly not compared to when I was in Vegas though.
I think that's fair. I mean, Seattle and especially parts of the metro outside of the City also has some areas that White people don't typically see or go to - a fair amount of that does exist, but not to extent that you see in Eastern cities like Boston for sure.
Also, are you saying you think Vegas is or isn't integrated? I find it to be quite integrated but mayve thats just my perception. Also, to bring it back to the topic of this thread, I wonder why Vegas has no hip-hop scene? Seattle's is significantly better, and that's a low bar to cross.
*1994, not 1969. Although I think the peak for murder rate was somewhere in the 70s or 80s, something like 15 per 100K. Tacoma is on a different level though - currently on pace for 23 per 100K this year. Not sure if it's related, but I find the rappers out of the Tacoma to be better than Seattle.
I think that's fair. I mean, Seattle and especially parts of the metro outside of the City also has some areas that White people don't typically see or go to - a fair amount of that does exist, but not to extent that you see in Eastern cities like Boston for sure.
Also, are you saying you think Vegas is or isn't integrated? I find it to be quite integrated but mayve thats just my perception. Also, to bring it back to the topic of this thread, I wonder why Vegas has no hip-hop scene? Seattle's is significantly better, and that's a low bar to cross.
Oh no, i mean about as suburban as vegas. Vegas is super diverse and integrated.
There's is no community vibe. I cant see it really taking off in Vegas that way for a while at least until the city has a more longstanding local culture outside of casinos. The strip is only just now opening up residencies to rappers like Rick Ross.
Yea you can sort of know all you need to know about segregation and cultural isolation in Boston from the fact that many many schools only have a handful of white students. Many. And just from the names of businesses and parks and histories of the neighborhoods. In the Boston neighborhood parks and streets often reflect the ethnicity of the group that lives there. And the lack of any black-owned full-service restaurants in the core tourist area of Boston aside from Savvor- literally one. And they're clientele is heavily black.
But no seriously... when I lived in Boston (especially back say pre-2015) I would really go several days (if not weeks?- but lemme be realistic) without seeing white people even drive through my neighborhood (they do drive out of the city on Blue Hill Ave and Morton Street though). Let alone working, visiting, or living there. They might've been there but were elderly and in the house. I truly never saw them. I remember riding on the 23 bus in Washington Street and this other black dude pointed at the white dude on the bus and was telling me how "see...now you know you've never seen any white boy on the 23 before! they're tryna take over"
*1994, not 1969. Although I think the peak for murder rate was somewhere in the 70s or 80s, something like 15 per 100K. Tacoma is on a different level though - currently on pace for 23 per 100K this year. Not sure if it's related, but I find the rappers out of the Tacoma to be better than Seattle.
Give me some Tacoma rappers and I'll listen. Idc we've pretty much exhausted the thread topic anyway.
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