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Obviously St. Louis has more of an identity - the city has a great history. However, Minneapolis - St. Paul is no slouch and St. Louis has been in the Twin Cities' rear-view for three or four decades.
Yeah, I think few people would argue that the Twin Cities are economically behind St Louis (it simply isn't true) but that's not really what the thread is about.
There's a quality to much of that area that isn't particularly distinct and you feel like you could kinda be anywhere in the US at times. It's getting less that way, and there's more embrace of what makes that area unique, but you just don't have quite the confluence of history, influence, etc that exists in St Louis.
Didn't expect twin cities to get slaughtered like this. I get that it does hav more identity but idk STL and Missouri in general are really unappealing to me
Didn't expect twin cities to get slaughtered like this. I get that it does hav more identity but idk STL and Missouri in general are really unappealing to me
The question isn't what's nicer, it's what has more of an identity.
I think everyone would agree that Minneapolis/St Paul is in better shape, but it's almost inarguably more generic.
If St. Louis was a half way functional region it would be insanely expensive overnight. I could see it being something like Nashville but with an urban appeal.
If St. Louis was a half way functional region it would be insanely expensive overnight. I could see it being something like Nashville but with an urban appeal.
I would hope St Louis never aspires to be Nashville or like anything in Tennessee.
It will take a while for costs to skyrocket with the housing stock in St Louis.
There has to be a city county merger of some sort. Things won't survive without it. I don't think it would be like Nashville Davidson but possibly a borough system like NYC.
The identity thing is one of the things I love about St Louis. If St Louis was expensive or a smaller msa I don't think I would want to live here.
I would hope St Louis never aspires to be Nashville or like anything in Tennessee.
It will take a while for costs to skyrocket with the housing stock in St Louis.
There has to be a city county merger of some sort. Things won't survive without it. I don't think it would be like Nashville Davidson but possibly a borough system like NYC.
The identity thing is one of the things I love about St Louis. If St Louis was expensive or a smaller msa I don't think I would want to live here.
Saint Louis County is also entering decline (its population peaked 22 years ago), and a lot of the chaos of Saint Louis city is increasingly an issue in the County (lest we forget the infamous Ferguson is in STL County).
It's to the point where richer residents now move from STL County to Saint Charles County (which is the new STL County).
I don't think amalgamation will do much. What STL needs is competent leadership and to tackle its third world homicide rates. Unfortunately the city is extremely ideological and elects red meat politicians who have good rhetoric but are **** poor city managers. Cori Bush (House Representative), Tishaura Jones (Mayor), and Kim Gardner (DA) are all disasters and come from the old tradition of blaming everything on the State Government and Saint Louis County. There's a kernel of truth to those claims (Jefferson City and the State GOP loathes Saint Louis), but the real problem in STL is self-inflicted (this is the short-sighted city, after all, that voluntarily demolished much of its extremely beautiful historic core).
Saint Louis County is also entering decline (its population peaked 22 years ago), and a lot of the chaos of Saint Louis city is increasingly an issue in the County (lest we forget the infamous Ferguson is in STL County).
It's to the point where richer residents now move from STL County to Saint Charles County (which is the new STL County).
I don't think amalgamation will do much. What STL needs is competent leadership and to tackle its third world homicide rates. Unfortunately the city is extremely ideological and elects red meat politicians who have good rhetoric but are **** poor city managers. Cori Bush (House Representative), Tishaura Jones (Mayor), and Kim Gardner (DA) are all disasters and come from the old tradition of blaming everything on the State Government and Saint Louis County. There's a kernel of truth to those claims (Jefferson City and the State GOP loathes Saint Louis), but the real problem in STL is self-inflicted (this is the short-sighted city, after all, that voluntarily demolished much of its extremely beautiful historic core).
There is so much wrong with what you have written but I will save the debate for a different thread. Perhaps political or local. If you start it, I will join in.
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