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View Poll Results: Which is is the fourth city of the Big 4 American cities (NYC, Chicago, LA, ...)
Boston 11 4.10%
Philadelphia 23 8.58%
Washington, DC 88 32.84%
Detroit 2 0.75%
Miami 11 4.10%
Atlanta 4 1.49%
Houston 42 15.67%
Dallas 12 4.48%
San Francisco 70 26.12%
Seattle 5 1.87%
Voters: 268. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-12-2022, 08:17 AM
 
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To me, it's definitely Houston.

The population, diversity, and overall size and growth of Houston is approaching another tier of cities. By 2040, Houston could be over 3 million in city population, passing Chicago, and with a metro area size of 9 million+.

The rankings, in my mind, out of your choices--

13 Detroit
12 Seattle
11 Boston

10 Philadelphia
9 Miami
8 Dallas
7 Atlanta
6 Washington, DC

5 San Francisco
4 Houston

3 Chicago

2 Los Angeles

1 New York City
But Dallas is already bigger than Houston by metro area population and it's growing faster. and I know you're not using city population in your rankings because you have Miami on your list and if we are going by city limits alone it's not even the largest city in Florida.
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Old 04-12-2022, 08:28 AM
 
Location: On the Waterfront
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DC, with SF and Miami nipping at their heels.
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Old 04-12-2022, 08:30 AM
 
Location: That star on your map in the middle of the East Coast, DMV
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It's DC or San Francisco in significance wise especially if you consider the entire population of those regions by CSA probably put them at 4th and 5th largest cities. If it's solely based on metro population wise it's actually Dallas and it's pulling away from the others right now except maybe Houston.
SF and DC also have the 4th and 5th largest economies in the US, and this is by MSA, ahead of Houston, Dallas, and Boston.

By CSA the SF Bay Area, and Washington DC-Baltimore are 3rd and 4th in economy after NYC and Los Angeles.
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Old 04-12-2022, 08:39 AM
 
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SF and DC also have the 4th and 5th largest economies in the US, and this is by MSA, ahead of Houston, Dallas, and Boston.

By CSA the SF Bay Area, and Washington DC-Baltimore are 3rd and 4th in economy after NYC and Los Angeles.
Yep that's another reason why I think they are the candidates for #4 on this list. Chicago is Chicago, it will be a while until its significance is replaced maybe by Dallas/Houston some day but they are not there yet. Unless tech somehow ceases to become a thing or all the tech companies leave the Bay area, I think San Fran and DC as top five cities is cemented for at least the next 25 years maybe longer. Really the top 5 cities for the next 50 years will be. The real question is who from this list will Dallas and Houston most likely replace Chicago, DC or San Fran once their population becomes so big that they are undeniably a top five city? It's either Chicago, DC or San Francisco of course. In my opinion it's hard to replace DC as the capital of the U.S. so it would have to be either Chicago or San Francisco.

1) New York
2) Los Angeles
3) Chicago
4) DC/San Fran

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Dallas/Houston

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Seattle
Atlanta
Miami
Philly
Phoenix
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Old 04-12-2022, 08:47 AM
 
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I mostly agree.

There's just different categories that could be compared though.

The Big 4 of urbanity in the US hasn't changed NYC, Chicago, Philadelphia, SF (or Boston).

The Big 4 of importance or relevance (domestically) is entirely different NYC, LA, DC, Chicago.

Then there's Big 4 of international presence or immigration NYC, LA, Miami, (one of DC/SF/Houston).

I think you could then do a Big 4 of global influence, or impact separate from pure immigration numbers.
Wouldn't Boston be ahead of Philly in urbanity?
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Old 04-12-2022, 08:49 AM
 
Location: OC
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Yep that's another reason why I think they are the candidates for #4 on this list. Chicago is Chicago, it will be a while until its significance is replaced maybe by Dallas/Houston some day but they are not there yet. Unless tech somehow ceases to become a thing or all the tech companies leave the Bay area, I think San Fran and DC as top five cities is cemented for at least the next 25 years maybe longer. Really the top 5 cities for the next 50 years will be. The real question is who from this list will Dallas and Houston most likely replace Chicago, DC or San Fran once their population becomes so big that they are undeniably a top five city? It's either Chicago, DC or San Francisco of course. In my opinion it's hard to replace DC as the capital of the U.S. so it would have to be either Chicago or San Francisco.

1) New York
2) Los Angeles
3) Chicago
4) DC/San Fran

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Dallas/Houston

next tier
Seattle
Atlanta
Miami
Philly
Phoenix
Dallas and Houston will steal clout from each other. There's not a rival for Chicago in the midwest. I think DC is severely undersold here as usual. Mention Washington or DC to anyone international, maybe 3rd in international recognition. Mention Houston or Dallas?
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Old 04-12-2022, 08:50 AM
 
Location: In the heights
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Wouldn't Boston be ahead of Philly in urbanity?

I don't think it is. Philadelphia feels larger and it's mostly one large expanse. Boston's urban parts up into the Boston expanse and a smaller Cambridge-Somerville expanse though they're close together don't feel contiguous the way Philadelphia does. There are also a lot of somewhat urban small nodes in the Boston area and probably more so than Philadelphia's metropolitan area does, but Philadelphia has the substantially more bustling largest expanse. That larger Boston core is closing in on Philadelphia though as Boston's population is growing fast and the Green Line extension will likely more strongly connect the Cambridge-Somerville node to Boston proper.
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Old 04-12-2022, 08:52 AM
 
Location: D.C. / I-95
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DC because it's the capital.

Boston or SF are also valid answers.
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Old 04-12-2022, 08:52 AM
 
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Dallas and Houston will steal clout from each other. There's not a rival for Chicago in the midwest. I think DC is severely undersold here as usual. Mention Washington or DC to anyone international, maybe 3rd in international recognition. Mention Houston or Dallas?
This is how I feel about DC, Houston and Dallas as well.
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Old 04-12-2022, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Calera, AL
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I don't think there is a right or wrong answer here, but if I had to pick just one, I'd go with San Francisco. In fact, I think a case can be made that the Bay Area is the premier metro of the West Coast, even ahead of Los Angeles due to its reputation for being one of the world's major hubs for technology, elite higher education, and being a window to Asia (which in the grand scheme of things, may actually be a bigger deal than Miami being a window to Latin America as the world is increasingly becoming more Asia-centric).
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