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Yea, yet Dallas-Fort Worth's population is larger than the Houston or DC MSA and will likely hit 8 million before 2030, is very diverse and DFW has more Fortune 500 companies than those other two metros.
Houston has about 3 more Fortune 500 companies than DFW.
Houston has about 25, DFW has about 23. This isn’t including the ExxonMobil move. DFW had more up until 2020.
Speaking of, due to the nature of the post, none of the new F500 companies in Houston were oil & gas except ExxonMobil. They were Hewlette Packard Enterprise (Tech), Crown Castle (Telecom), Academy Sports Outdoors (Retailer), KBR (Defense Contractor) and NRG (Utilities). In other words, basically F500 industry you claimed Dallas to have and Houston to lack in the post.
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In 1980, both metro Houston and DFW were the same size, since then DFW has expanded faster. DFW will be the fourth metro to hit 8 million residents before 2030. Even SF/SJ if it were one MSA would be smaller.
SJ and SF combine for 9+ million. And closer 10 million than 9 million actually. It’ll likely reach 10 million around the time DFW reaches 8 million.
In 1980, both metro Houston and DFW were the same size, since then DFW has expanded faster. DFW will be the fourth metro to hit 8 million residents before 2030. Even SF/SJ if it were one MSA would be smaller.
This isn’t true. Dallas and Fort Worth expanded counties since the 80s. the Dallas/FW metroplex with the same area that it is today was more populated than Houston’s area today in the 80s and prior.
J.J. might be on to something. Last year's freeze has dissuaded relocations to TX--big hit to DFW's bread-and-butter. The local paper--the biggest cheerleader for DFW's rising national profile--has admitted that no major relocation announcements have taken place for a year.
The only relocations this year were away from DFW to Houston: Howard Hughes and Exxon HQ! Wouldn't be surprised for more Dallas to Houston relocations: TX Instruments relocating to Sugar Land (opposite HP in Klein) and Southwest because Hobby is their growing international hub business.
Even Dell might be heading to West Houston to get away from the craziness of Austin/Round Rock, etc. One report says Houston has the second-largest number of tech workers in Texas. (Oddly DFW was third, despite the long telecom history!?!)
Another big threat would be mergers and acquisitions. Atlanta has been gobbling up companies. Houston's Marble Slab Creamery, Minute Maid, and Telecheck (lost due to Harvey) have moved to be with the conglomerate's HQ in Atlanta. Dallas won't be immune either: Struggling American Airlines being bought by Delta!
There is plenty of vacant land along eastern Galveston Bay and Brazosport to build warehouses to store imports/exports for sea traffic. Completing I-69 will relieve pressure on I-35 truck traffic between Mexico and the Eastern U.S. That should cut down on the 1 day supply chain delay caused by moving goods far from the port.
My home in Houston doesn't have a nonstop flight to Australia. (We do have a flight to New Zealand.). Not complaining!
The irony here… Everything pro Houston is wrong and so is everything anti Houston here. The first 5 paragraphs make absolutely no sense whatsoever (except the Exxon and Howard Hughes).
And the last paragraph is wrong because Houston does have a direct flight to Australia. How are you going to make such a crazy pro Houston post and leave this out?
While DFW’s growth is starting to slow down, it’s not because of the freeze. It’s because of the housing market.
I just did a quick search on flightsfrom.com and looks like LAX doesn’t have nonstops to South America either…surprised. They used to if I recall correctly.
We used to as well. San Francisco to Lima on Lan Airlines. It was discontinued a few years ago.
I think the answer now is a toss up, but probably between D.C and SF, with S.F taking it. In 25 years, I think the undisputed answer will be Dallas. In 15 years the undisputed answer might be Dallas.
The Bay Area is around 7.8 million
Dallas is going to explode this soon.
D.C+Anne Arundel+Howard is at 7.3 million.
Houston is at 7.2 million.
GDP wise not one of those cities is within touching the Bay Area. D.C is ahead, but Dallas and Houston are likely to chase it down and pass it.
Even Boston and Philly are well within the running when we start expanding it to CSA designations.
By 2045 however, Dallas could really separate itself on a different level not only population but honestly GDP as well.
2020 Census official numbers -
San Francisco MSA is 4,749,008 San Jose 1,992,441 = 6,741,449
Dallas-Fort Worth MSA - 7,574.390, or over 1 million bigger .
I'd say DC then San Francisco with both being pretty close. Wouldn't surprise me if some regions have San Francisco higher.
Houston & Dallas while larger in population, is hard to think of people from around the world or country to think it's more outsized than DC.
I don't really see people thinking "oh, America. New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston" as opposed to "New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Washington DC" or Houston having as big of global & national impacts or peoples attention as DC.
Well, you need not think of Houston and Dallas but more of TEXAS. THAT is a big, a top 20 global economy. There are a ton of consulates. There are a ton of Fortune 500 HQs, second only to California. There are a ton of foreign offices. The Port of Houston based on tonnage is top 5 in the western hemisphere. And Houston has the biggest medical complex in the world, the Texas Medical Center - 50 million sf. 106K employees which hosts many foreign patients.
The second busiest airport in the US was DFW last year and number of Foreign flagged airliners have direct flights to DFW. The largest airline in the world is in DFW, American, and the airline with the most domestic flights, Southwest is also based in DFW.
Houston, DFW, Chicago and Atlanta annual international passenger traffic was all within 20,000 passengers of each other. All were slightly more than San Francisco but much behind L.A. or NY. No airport serving D.C. was even close in international flights. https://www.statista.com/statistics/...enger-traffic/
If it's GDP per capital, I think Seattle shoots past the sunbelt cities and is close to Boston. There's been quite a few influential companies from there, no?
Seattle has some oversized companies in Amazon, MSFT, Boeing and Costco but it's not a DEEP pool. Plus, it suffers from being somewhat isolated in its PNW location. Boston kind of has the same issue but its closer to other important cities, has maybe the best higher education base of any metro in the western hemisphere and is 5 hours to Europe whereas Seattle is like 12 hours to its Pacific Rim counterparts at the least.
You left Dallas off, which I think is very close to Houston as far as influence.
Being in Texas, having lived in both Houston and DFW, and working in high finance, the latter has surpassed the former this century in importance. DFW airport alone has annual passenger traffic that exceeds that of both Houston Airports, Austin and San Antonio and that's with competing with Southwest at Dallas Love Field. DFW has had more corporate relocations the last 20 years than any metro area in the south.
Seattle has some oversized companies in Amazon, MSFT, Boeing and Costco but it's not a DEEP pool. Plus, it suffers from being somewhat isolated in its PNW location. Boston kind of has the same issue but its closer to other important cities, has maybe the best higher education base of any metro in the western hemisphere and is 5 hours to Europe whereas Seattle is like 12 hours to its Pacific Rim counterparts at the least.
There are a ton of successful tech companies up there. They bat well above their weight and that area is very educated.
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